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12-18-2012 at 7:14 AM
silvie25
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schedule mammas

So I've been a bit of a schedule mamma since dd was born. She is just turning 9 months. I credit her great sleeping habits STTN since 8 weeks and pretty much everything else to the schedule I have her in, and she's always hungry when its mealtime and knows when its naptime.
Anyway, lots of moms kinda frown upon it and say you'll be in for a surprise later. But how so?
Yes I admit, I do stress out a bit if she doesn't fall asleep at the exact time she does for naptime because I get worried she won't sleep later and it will just be a pattern. But I don't think I realllllly freak out, I just want her to keep the same routine. I know its inevitible that somewhere down the road she will break it somehow but right now it works.
My question is, moving forward from this age what can I expect from naps from a baby who has been STTN a well as length of night sleeps. Currently she sleeps from 845pm to 730pm, has an hour nap from 930am, and two 30 min naps at 1245pm and 4pm.

 
12-18-2012 at 8:19 AM
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When DS was 9 months old, he was down to 2 naps (and unfortunately he's making some moves to drop that second nap).  He naps at 10 am and 2 pm (approximately, sometimes it's 10:30 and 2:30, etc.).  He goes down for the night at 6:45 pm  - 7:00 pm and is up for the day at 6:00 am.  He usually takes one long nap and one shorter nap.  If his first nap is 90 minutes or longer, the second one will be around 45 minutes.  Sometimes those switch.

I'm a little surprised at 9 months that your LO is still taking 3 naps.   Every baby is different, but my other friends who have LOs in that age range are also on 2 naps.  As far as what to expect... at some point I'd try to consolidate his 3 naps into 2, which will eventually be down to 1 nap (though the age varies a lot for that).

I don't really understand people "frowning" upon the whole scheduling thing.  I have always adhered to a schedule, but it's not like it's executed with military precision.  Maybe their "you wait and see" attitude comes from the fact that, as LOs get older, they are a little more flexible with their scheduling needs, and sometimes will throw a wrench in the plan.  I absolutely would not stress about LO going down for a nap at the exact same time everyday.  Some days he's tired at 9:30 am, sometimes he's not tired until 10:30 am.  At bedtime, sometimes he's tired by 6:15 pm, sometimes he's not tired until 7:00 pm.  I'm flexible with it, because he's a kid, not a robot.  We keep a somewhat straightforward schedule, but it allows for some adjustment based on how he is feeling. 

When he was tiny (less than 4 months) I used to OBSESS about the schedule.  It made me and everyone else nuts.  Now I'm more realistic and calm about it.  Do I ever keep him up until 8:30 or 9 pm?  Absolutely not.  But I know everything will be fine if he goes to sleep at 7:15 pm instead of 6:45 pm and eats lunch at 12:15 pm instead of 11:45 am.

FWIW, DS got really sick back in August.  He ran a fever of 103-104+ for an entire week.  His sleeping schedule was completely shot to sh!t.  I was beyond panicked that all of the sleeping habits that we spent months and months cultivating would be gone.  After he got better, it took him about a week, and he was back to STTN with no problems.  So the moral of that story is that, they go through phases, nothing is forever, and just take it all in stride.  


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12-18-2012 at 9:03 AM
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Agree that it's odd for a 9 month old to still be taking 3 naps.  Most babies transition to 2 naps by 8 months old.  If your baby does well with a BTC schedule and wakes up at 7:30, I'd distribute your 2 naps evenly between the day.  You could also aim for a modified 2/3/4 schedule and keep nap #1 and 9:30, then do nap #2 about 3 hours after nap #1 ends and bedtime about 4 hours after nap #2 ends - adjust those times based on your preferences.

My baby does much better with wake times as my guide.  This means that her nap starts and ends move, but I find that if I keep her awake too long or too short then she has problems sleeping at night.


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12-18-2012 at 9:16 AM
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Agree that it's odd for a 9 month old to still be taking 3 naps.nbsp; Most babies transition to 2 naps by 8 months old.nbsp; If your baby does well with a BTC schedule and wakes up at 7:30, I'd distribute your 2 naps evenly between the day.nbsp; You could also aim for a modified 2/3/4 schedule and keep nap 1 and 9:30, then do nap 2 about 3 hours after nap 1 ends and bedtime about 4 hours after nap 2 ends adjust those times based on your preferences.My baby does much better with wake times as my guide.nbsp; This means that her nap starts and ends move, but I find that if I keep her awake too long or too short then she has problems sleeping at night.

Hmm. I guess you guys are right. How can I consolidate the naps? So far her schedule has been working for us but maybe consolidating naps isn't a bad idea. I just don't want to force her to stay awake to try and balance those naps into two instead of three. She'll almost always sleep for 1 hour from 930 1030ish. So I guess those two cat naps in the afternoon can be put into one, at say 2pm. But how can I get around keeping her up from dozing off at her usual 1230?

She does go to bed at 830pm, and wakes up at 730am. Some say that's late but works for us. For now anyway.
 
12-18-2012 at 9:36 AM
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We never had a schedule with DS, and he made his own. He started STTN at 6 months, consolidated to 2 naps a day around 7 or 8 months, and went down to 1 nap a day around 10 months. He still STTN, but the great thing about having a flexible baby is we can go out and get things done, but they don't need to be done around his schedule. He'll eat pretty much whenever, nap once he gets sleepy and his surroundings are (mostly) quiet, and this way we get to have a pretty active social life.

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12-18-2012 at 9:37 AM
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silvie25:
How can I consolidate the naps? So far her schedule has been working for us but maybe consolidating naps isn't a bad idea. I just don't want to force her to stay awake to try and balance those naps into two instead of three. She'll almost always sleep for 1 hour from 930 1030ish. So I guess those two cat naps in the afternoon can be put into one, at say 2pm. But how can I get around keeping her up from dozing off at her usual 1230? She does go to bed at 830pm, and wakes up at 730am. Some say that's late but works for us. For now anyway.

Well I guess I would start by maybe doing the second nap at 1:00 pm instead of 2:00 pm.  At 9 months, she should definitely be able to stay awake from 10:30 am until 2:00 pm.  Perhaps get out of the house, or do some activity around that time so she won't doze off.  I find that, on the weekend when we are around the house more, DS will get tired earlier.  

My second recommendation would be to move her bedtime a little earlier as she adjusts to 2 naps.  I know some people have success with the 8:30 pm bedtime, but that would definitely be super late in our house.  The latest DS ever stays up is 7:30 pm.  And those are on days when his second nap is late and he wakes up around 4:00 pm.

I do agree with PP about going from her wakeup time rather than a set time to go down to bed.  That has been better for us as well.


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12-18-2012 at 9:39 AM
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I always believe go by your childs lead. If she's ready for 2 naps she'll show you. Maybe just try pushing her afternoon nap back a half hour - 45 min. the first time and than maybe she'll sleep longer since she'll be more tired...that way you wont have to do the 3rd nap? When we first switched to 2 naps my girls would get so crabby by 5pm so we pushed dinner time back and then did baths to keep them awake until their bedtime routine. That ended up helping until they got used to staying up longer w/out a 3rd nap. Good luck.

And as far as a schedule. I have twins and I really believe a schedule is why both my girls do so well with naps and STTN since 3 months or so. I have friends w/ one baby that is months older than my girls and still struggle night feedings and not sleeping through the night because they didn't keep to a schedule. Granted we have days that naps dont go as planned and usually those night they are more crabby and don't go right down to bed but for the most part I dont go off our schedule.  For people that judge or think you're too catering to your kids..dont have to be the one home with them at night and can get a full nights sleep. So who cares what their opinion is. :)


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12-18-2012 at 10:10 AM
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silvie25:
ninthgirl:
Agree that it's odd for a 9 month old to still be taking 3 naps.nbsp; Most babies transition to 2 naps by 8 months old.nbsp; If your baby does well with a BTC schedule and wakes up at 7:30, I'd distribute your 2 naps evenly between the day.nbsp; You could also aim for a modified 2/3/4 schedule and keep nap 1 and 9:30, then do nap 2 about 3 hours after nap 1 ends and bedtime about 4 hours after nap 2 ends adjust those times based on your preferences.My baby does much better with wake times as my guide.nbsp; This means that her nap starts and ends move, but I find that if I keep her awake too long or too short then she has problems sleeping at night.
Hmm. I guess you guys are right. How can I consolidate the naps? So far her schedule has been working for us but maybe consolidating naps isn't a bad idea. I just don't want to force her to stay awake to try and balance those naps into two instead of three. She'll almost always sleep for 1 hour from 930 1030ish. So I guess those two cat naps in the afternoon can be put into one, at say 2pm. But how can I get around keeping her up from dozing off at her usual 1230? She does go to bed at 830pm, and wakes up at 730am. Some say that's late but works for us. For now anyway.

I wouldn't make a schedule change until something stops working for her.  I'd expect to see the following as indicators of the need for a transition:

1) An early wake-up or night waking or other drop in overnight sleep.

2) A shortening of nap #1 from which she wakes up happy or having to keep her awake longer for nap #1 for it to be long.

3) Naps lengthening (do you wake her from naps?), making it impossible to have all 3 naps in a day and still keep to your schedule.

When you do have to make a change, you distract her at her old napping times because her body will need to adjust.  Take her outside, pull out a new toy, etc.


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12-18-2012 at 10:52 AM
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Good suggestions on here. Do what feels right for YOUR child. Input from others is very helpful for a guideline but again, do what you think your child needs and what works best for you. I'm all for a schedule but I also am realistic and know that it's not an exact science as I'm sure you've found out too!


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12-18-2012 at 11:31 AM
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I adhere to my nighttime ritual like white on rice. DH is more lax, but still within 15-30 minutes of when I would get things done. DD2 is in DC, and generally takes 1-2 naps whenever she wants to, but usually around 12-2 if just one. That is because the DC workers need a break. At home, she naps 2 times a day, whenever she shows signs of being tired, rubbing her eyes and ears and being fussy. The length of the nap varies. At night, she gets bathed when we get home, some food if she is still not ready to go to sleep (they feed her literally right before I pick her up), and she is usually in bed by 6. I will wake her for a 10-11 pm bottle so that she will STTN, and then she generally wakes up about 5:30-6 am. I recently dropped her early morning bottle, and have been holding off giving her a bottle in the early evening, and she adjusted well to that. Seems sleep trumps hunger with her. I think kids crave routine, and there will children who want to run amok. For the most part, kids without some sort of routine don't know what to expect and are less likely to go along with the plan. That's not to say you should be flexible. Eventually you are going to have to go to the grocery store when LO is supposed to have a nap, and your child needs to be able to handle that. Perhaps your friends are referring to older children and the good luck with that attitude is meant for down the line. DD1 won't take a nap, and hasn't taken once since about 18 months. Just refuses. But, she will go to sleep at 7 pm, and then stay in her bed and be happy until 8 am the next morning. Every single thing in her room is in her bed when I go to get her, but she doesn't try to leave her room (yet) and doesn't make a fuss. You do you, and don't worry about what works for your friends. I bet things aren't so hippity hoppity as they make it seem.

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12-18-2012 at 12:13 PM
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acaudill75:
I adhere to my nighttime ritual like white on rice. DH is more lax, but still within 15-30 minutes of when I would get things done. DD2 is in DC, and generally takes 1-2 naps whenever she wants to, but usually around 12-2 if just one. That is because the DC workers need a break. At home, she naps 2 times a day, whenever she shows signs of being tired, rubbing her eyes and ears and being fussy. The length of the nap varies. At night, she gets bathed when we get home, some food if she is still not ready to go to sleep (they feed her literally right before I pick her up), and she is usually in bed by 6. I will wake her for a 10-11 pm bottle so that she will STTN, and then she generally wakes up about 5:30-6 am. I recently dropped her early morning bottle, and have been holding off giving her a bottle in the early evening, and she adjusted well to that. Seems sleep trumps hunger with her. I think kids crave routine, and there will children who want to run amok. For the most part, kids without some sort of routine don't know what to expect and are less likely to go along with the plan. That's not to say you should be flexible. Eventually you are going to have to go to the grocery store when LO is supposed to have a nap, and your child needs to be able to handle that. Perhaps your friends are referring to older children and the good luck with that attitude is meant for down the line. DD1 won't take a nap, and hasn't taken once since about 18 months. Just refuses. But, she will go to sleep at 7 pm, and then stay in her bed and be happy until 8 am the next morning. Every single thing in her room is in her bed when I go to get her, but she doesn't try to leave her room (yet) and doesn't make a fuss. You do you, and don't worry about what works for your friends. I bet things aren't so hippity hoppity as they make it seem.

Nicely put. I've found that many people exaggerate the level of perfection when it comes to their kids and sleeping, eating, behavior, etc. You have to learn to take other people's stories with a grain of salt and do what works best for your own child.


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