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12-21-2012 at 6:55 PM
OhSewCraft...
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If _______ , then _______.

The concept of "if you _______, then you can _______" is completely lost on Charlie. I can't bribe him with anything - he just stares at me. Whether we're asking him to take another bite of food before dessert or to clean up his toys so we can read a story before bed. Nothin'.

Is that weird? Anyone else's kid not understand rewards yet?



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12-21-2012 at 7:16 PM
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G definitely does nt understand this concept.  I've been trying to use it all week.  No dice.  Lol


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12-21-2012 at 7:27 PM
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I say "first __, then__" it makes it less of an option, and I use her names when I use this phrasing instead of "you". For example she likes to brush her own teeth, but isn't very thorough, so I say "first mama brush, then Hazel brush". She understands it and I use it often for a variety of scenarios in which I need her cooperation. 


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12-21-2012 at 7:36 PM
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He understands the first and then second concept. So we have to change your diaper first then you can feed the cats.

But really i don't use food as a reward/punishment in our house. So I'm not sure how treats would work.

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12-21-2012 at 8:10 PM
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Oooh that sounds much easier of a way to do it. I'm not really keen on bribery (though I know sometimes it is what works), but it would be helpful for him to have an understanding of what I'd like him to do. Thanks, ladies!


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12-21-2012 at 8:22 PM
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I do think it's a pretty complicated concept - LO understands things coming in order, for example "If you let mommy take a picture, you get fruit snacks" (Yes, I totally bribed with food to get a good Christmas card picture), or, "If you go brush your teeth, you can watch Team Umizoomi" (she gets to watch 1 episode before bed).

But she doesn't really get the whole "if I act nicely, mommy and daddy will be happy" concept.

It has to be very concrete, like... If I kick the Christmas tree = I get time out. And even then she will test the theory three or four times in a row. Big Smile On the up side, after doing that one day, she didn't ever mess with the tree again - she just had to make sure we were serious.

I do think over the next few months they will understand that concept more and more though - and then they start to bargain with you, the little stinkers!


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12-21-2012 at 8:41 PM
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DS understands, but whether or not he chooses to follow along with it is a different story. My food example in Cheekers' post is an example. "If you eat this food, then I'll give you your toy". Sometimes he'll eat & sometimes he doesn't.

And like the others mentioned - if I use the phrasing in your subject & DS just ignores me, then I'll rephrase it with more emphasis -"FIRST do this, THEN we can do that."




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12-21-2012 at 10:23 PM
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No, G doesn't get it. I've only tried a few times and have up lol.

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12-22-2012 at 1:08 AM
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I think Jack really understands the concept, but I've noticed that certain phrasing is more effective than others.  "If, then" and "first, then" work sometimes.  But what works the best is "Do you, then" like "Do you want to go to the park? Then you need to pick up your toys."

I think that him having to respond and say "Yes" and be involved in the conversation helps. There's no confusion about first or second, or the concept of "if".  It's just "I want this.  I have to do that to get it."


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12-22-2012 at 2:08 AM
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Avery does not get it either. I tried to explain to her the other day that if she didn't put her clothes on, we were going to miss story time. She LOVES story time, but we couldn't go because she decided to run around naked for an hour instead.

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12-22-2012 at 12:52 PM
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We started the 'first ____, then _____' a long while ago, and has since transitioned to if/then. We have also taken it up a step and give him 3 to 4 step jobs such as 'get the cup, put it in the sink, bring your snack and sit in the chair' These are all simple tasks that he is used to doing, so he will generally get it right if we repeat it 2 or 3 times while he's focused on us. He is normally an eager to please type kid, so I think he tries really hard knowing he'll be praised if he gets it right.

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12-22-2012 at 1:11 PM
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We've been using the first___, then____ for a while too.  It works really well for naps oddly enough.  First mommy reads a story, then you take a nap.  (That being said she's been bouncing in her crib for an hour, but she's happy and I got a shower.)


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12-22-2012 at 11:58 PM
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We use "first"---"then"--- and it's been working well for awhile. The ideas have to be linked closely and you have to follow through every time so they'll trust that if they comply, they'll get what they want. For example, if we want him to take another bite of food before dessert we'll say, "First chicken...then graham cracker." As soon as he's done with the chicken we always give the graham cracker right away. If we want him to pick up toys, we pick a "fun thing" that would be done directly afterwards. 

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12-23-2012 at 7:24 PM
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With J we do a "can you do this to help?" and then once he does it he comes running back for a high five.  I'm more than happy to give that boy all the high fives he could ever want.  Or "if you do this, you get a high five" works sometimes.  Punishment wise it's "If you throw the toy again you have to put it away" and then if he throws it again he has to pick up the toy and put it in the toy box for the rest of the night. 

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12-24-2012 at 1:17 PM
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DS doesn't get it except on a very rare occasion. I can't wait until he does get it.
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