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03-25-2010 at 8:30 AM
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i'm a christian and this drives me nuts...

 
03-25-2010 at 8:33 AM
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Or, I dont know, you want a career and to be successful? Indifferent I dont think it should have anything to do with men.

 
03-25-2010 at 8:34 AM
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We can only reach that conclusion when we believe the feminist lie that being keepers at home (Titus 2:3-4) is a demeaning job that requires little training, little education, and still less intelligence.

Um. Where does "feminism" say this? Feminism has a spokesperson now with a membership badge? Who knew?

And yes, I find this very scary.


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03-25-2010 at 8:36 AM
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I agree with her first point, being that far too many people incur a lot of debt to go to college when we don't have a good idea of what we want to do as a profession.

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03-25-2010 at 8:37 AM
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i'm not sure they understand feminism.... 

 am i the only one who had to stop reading that article b/c it was infuriating??? 

03-25-2010 at 8:44 AM
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carolinag:

i'm not sure they understand feminism.... 

 am i the only one who had to stop reading that article b/c it was infuriating??? 

YES!  and clearly they haven't even picked up the feminist manifesto.  they are probably too busy burning it.

and i'm sorry - i don't think going into debt for an education is stupid.  i think it trumps going into debt for a car a tv a random other tangible possesions....but an education?  give me a break!

 


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03-25-2010 at 8:46 AM
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I love how "feminism" is used as one static thing. I think what a lot of people don't get about feminism is that many feminists don't agree with each other and it is an intricate philosophy interpreted by the individual and the philosophies they choose to follow. There are many overlaps, but all in all it is not just one thing.

And I'm obviously pro academia...

 
03-25-2010 at 8:51 AM
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violetvirgo:
carolinag:

i'm not sure they understand feminism.... 

 am i the only one who had to stop reading that article b/c it was infuriating??? 

YES!  and clearly they haven't even picked up the feminist manifesto.  they are probably too busy burning it.

and i'm sorry - i don't think going into debt for an education is stupid.  i think it trumps going into debt for a car a tv a random other tangible possesions....but an education?  give me a break!

 

Oh I totally agree that going into debt for an education is fine-IF you know what you want to do. If you're just going to college because that's the next step after high school, and all your friends are going, and you want to party, but you don't have any idea what you want your education in...well then, yes I think that is stupid. 


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03-25-2010 at 8:51 AM
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The garbage about the "academic machine" made me stop reading. Since when did educating yourself become a BAD thing?

 
03-25-2010 at 8:53 AM
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lanie30:

We can only reach that conclusion when we believe the feminist lie that being keepers at home (Titus 2:3-4) is a demeaning job that requires little training, little education, and still less intelligence.

Um. Where does "feminism" say this? Feminism has a spokesperson now with a membership badge? Who knew?

And yes, I find this very scary.

me too lol

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03-25-2010 at 8:54 AM
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sunnyday016:
violetvirgo:
carolinag:

i'm not sure they understand feminism.... 

 am i the only one who had to stop reading that article b/c it was infuriating??? 

YES!  and clearly they haven't even picked up the feminist manifesto.  they are probably too busy burning it.

and i'm sorry - i don't think going into debt for an education is stupid.  i think it trumps going into debt for a car a tv a random other tangible possesions....but an education?  give me a break!

 

Oh I totally agree that going into debt for an education is fine-IF you know what you want to do. If you're just going to college because that's the next step after high school, and all your friends are going, and you want to party, but you don't have any idea what you want your education in...well then, yes I think that is stupid. 

I don't think "knowing what you want to do" has anything to do with higher education. Perhaps I am a minority here. But school is an experience. Education is part of it.


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03-25-2010 at 8:54 AM
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Yes education is expensive and I know a lot of people that are not doign what they majored in in college, but in alot of households you need two incomes and for the most part with out a degree you are not going to be making a whole lot of money regardless of what that degree is for. My SIL makes more money then her DH becuase she has a grad degree. You can stil have God in yourl life and have a meaningful life outside the home. Some people need to get off their high horses and get with the times.

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03-25-2010 at 8:54 AM
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The garbage about the "academic machine" made me stop reading. Since when did educating yourself become a BAD thing?

because knowledge = power = i might not agree with everything you feed me 


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03-25-2010 at 8:56 AM
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a highly-educated Christian woman here

educated women = good thing - God gave us brains too ;)


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03-25-2010 at 8:57 AM
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lanie30:
sunnyday016:
violetvirgo:
carolinag:

i'm not sure they understand feminism.... 

 am i the only one who had to stop reading that article b/c it was infuriating??? 

YES!  and clearly they haven't even picked up the feminist manifesto.  they are probably too busy burning it.

and i'm sorry - i don't think going into debt for an education is stupid.  i think it trumps going into debt for a car a tv a random other tangible possesions....but an education?  give me a break!

 

Oh I totally agree that going into debt for an education is fine-IF you know what you want to do. If you're just going to college because that's the next step after high school, and all your friends are going, and you want to party, but you don't have any idea what you want your education in...well then, yes I think that is stupid. 

I don't think "knowing what you want to do" has anything to do with higher education. Perhaps I am a minority here. But school is an experience. Education is part of it.

i agree lanie.  how would i have figured out what i wanted to do if i hadn't gone to college?  besides the fact i feel the experience and well rounded liberal arts education is extremely important.  

honestly though, i view undergrad like high school.  you start specializing with your masters and PhD work.  there's not a single job in my company that will hire a high school only diploma.  they don't even care what you major in, but to work here you have to have a 4-year degree at least and that goes for admins and exec assistants. 


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03-25-2010 at 8:59 AM
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lanie30:

I don't think "knowing what you want to do" has anything to do with higher education. Perhaps I am a minority here. But school is an experience. Education is part of it.

I think this article is trying to take a dig at the kids that like to party and have pre-marital sex, whilst in school? I can't figure it out.

I partied my butt off, and I got good grades and walked away with a degree and a CPA cert.  I learned about who I was in college. I was more than just educated in the classroom. I was educated on what it was like to learn personal responsibility, to live with other people, to GROW UP.  Really, while partying and sex and whatever might be a large part of the experience, it was a necessary course for me.

And yes, this is a Christian woman speaking here. lol

 
03-25-2010 at 9:01 AM
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I love how "feminism" is used as one static thing. I think what a lot of people don't get about feminism is that many feminists don't agree with each other and it is an intricate philosophy interpreted by the individual and the philosophies they choose to follow. There are many overlaps, but all in all it is not just one thing.

And I'm obviously pro academia...

Yes X 1,000


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03-25-2010 at 9:05 AM
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Aw...isn't this quaint.

"So what would a natural looking college campus look like? Full mainly of very diligent, hard working, earnest young men, with some young women who played down their attractiveness and were there because they were true academics and belonged there due to their inclinations and gifts. There would be other women around campus, mainly bringing sandwiches to husbands, so their little ones could say hi to daddy in the middle of the
day."

 
03-25-2010 at 9:06 AM
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Based on the responses, I can't read the article because I just have no patience today.

However, just wanted to say that I never thought of college as job training. Ever.

 
03-25-2010 at 9:08 AM
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Mrs.Hizzo:

Aw...isn't this quaint.

"So what would a natural looking college campus look like? Full mainly of very diligent, hard working, earnest young men, with some young women who played down their attractiveness and were there because they were true academics and belonged there due to their inclinations and gifts. There would be other women around campus, mainly bringing sandwiches to husbands, so their little ones could say hi to daddy in the middle of the
day."

so i'm supposed to make babies, cook, clean and take care of my husband?  right.

if my whole world revolved around me bringing a sandwich to my husband i would stick forks in my eyes.  literally.  i wonder what their stance is on that?


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03-25-2010 at 9:12 AM
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I feel particularly baffled, b/c I went to a parochial all-girls high school who prided themselves on the fact that 100% of their graduates went to college. Educating young women in a college preparatory setting, and having them go to college, was a good thing. A thing that Jesus was particularly fond of! lol.

I just think it is an incredibly ass-backwards way of thinking that women don't need to be educated if their men are. I feel like some lonely man, who never married b/c women were too high-fangled these days, wrote this. A man who wanted a good little submissive wifey, but none were interested. Or someone with a very tiny penis.

03-25-2010 at 9:12 AM
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Mrs.Hizzo:

Aw...isn't this quaint.

"So what would a natural looking college campus look like? Full mainly of very diligent, hard working, earnest young men, with some young women whoplayed down their attractiveness and were there because they were trueacademics and belonged there due to their inclinations and gifts. Therewould be other women around campus, mainly bringing sandwiches tohusbands, so their little ones could say hi to daddy in the middle ofthe
day."

I almost threw up in my mouth reading that.

Downplay their attractiveness? Because a beautiful woman can't possibly be interested in academics and should only be a trophy wife, right? 

This only hinders progress. Women shouldn't be thought of as just wives and mothers. There are so many women out there who are smart and beautiful and talented, and they are going to make a difference (not to say that a SAHM mom can't make a difference, but you KWIM).

Shame on these idiots for saying that women should downplay their looks to get more respect or that they should only be at home making sandwiches if they choose not to.

This is disgusting. 

 
03-25-2010 at 9:14 AM
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This whole article, and the attitude behind it, is Ick!

If you're in a relationship with a godly man right out high school, well, get married!

Sweeeeeet.

 

 
03-25-2010 at 9:14 AM
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This whole article, and the attitude behind it, is Ick!

If you're in a relationship with a godly man right out high school, well, get married!

Sweeeeeet.

 

 
03-25-2010 at 9:25 AM
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violetvirgo:
Mrs.Hizzo:

Aw...isn't this quaint.

"So what would a natural looking college campus look like? Full mainly of very diligent, hard working, earnest young men, with some young women who played down their attractiveness and were there because they were true academics and belonged there due to their inclinations and gifts. There would be other women around campus, mainly bringing sandwiches to husbands, so their little ones could say hi to daddy in the middle of the
day."

so i'm supposed to make babies, cook, clean and take care of my husband?  right.

if my whole world revolved around me bringing a sandwich to my husband i would stick forks in my eyes.  literally.  i wonder what their stance is on that?

Yes, and not only that, you should have been doing it when you were 19 years old. Unless of course you have remarkable talents that make you worthy of higher education, in which case you may don a gunny sack and sit in with the earnest young men. Just try not to talk too much.


 
03-25-2010 at 10:06 AM
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Mrs.Hizzo:

Aw...isn't this quaint.

"So what would a natural looking college campus look like? Full mainly of very diligent, hard working, earnest young men, with some young women who played down their attractiveness and were there because they were true academics and belonged there due to their inclinations and gifts. There would be other women around campus, mainly bringing sandwiches to husbands, so their little ones could say hi to daddy in the middle of the
day."

Wow. This seriously made me laugh.


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03-25-2010 at 10:48 AM
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can't someone  help me out here? go to that link and post..i'm seriously getting beat up on there and the older women have said i cannot see past my own nose...so judgemental and so rude and imo missing the entire point of the message of christ...argh i am so mad!!! i am a chrisitan women who is no worse off because i had a "selfish" four years of "self discovery"....but they call me a feminist...seriously i'd love to have some back up!
 
03-25-2010 at 10:50 AM
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Given that they are using the bible as evidence, they lose all credibility with me so their views just make me LOL.

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03-26-2010 at 2:25 PM
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Is it not a good idea to evaluate one's own motives and the long-term ramifications of the decisions that affect years of your life (and the lives of your family)? Are you threatened by the possibility that some women may conclude, after honest consideration, that spending money and years on a degree will not help them achieve their greatest priorities in life? The truth is, not everyone needs to go through the same cookie-cutter of going to college right out of high school. For some, the negative effects may outweigh the benefits. It is good to challenge the status-quo assumption that education (especially certain types) is the "savior" of society. Additionally, there is a vast array of options besides the classroom for becoming more educated in life skills. It's interesting to me how many people are missing the point of Mrs. Crum's article. She is not looking down on women who are educated. In fact, she says that a higher kind of education is needed. It comes across that those readers who are so defensive about their own education and experience are in fact looking down on those who do NOT have standard higher education/degrees/careers. I know many happy and fulfilled young mothers/wives who willingly chose to prioritize a family, whether or not college played any role in their lives. And they don't disrepect me for being almost a decade older than they were at the age of first pregnancy. They are not anxious and worried about all the what-ifs, because they trust their husbands and more importantly, God. Even women who are temporarily, possibly-in-the-future, or permanently single can benefit from the honest consideration of the questions proposed in the article.

I do not regret all the life experiences I have had through 7 years of college, 2 degrees, and 3+ years in the corporate world.  However, these things did not prepare me to be a better wife and mother. Sure, I can teach interesting things to my own children or use my skills to benefit society, but ... late nights of studying at school did not incline me towards maintaining a good home; classes did not teach me how to raise a family; taking on student loan debt did not contribute to the financial stability of my family; working in a career or two did not help me to respect my husband who has a different level of education and experience; gaining knowledge did not increase the humility necessary for acknowledging that my ideas are not always superior to those of my husband; cultivating independence did not prepare me for laying down my life for sake of those I love; pursuing personal fulfillment does not leave much room for loving God with my whole heart, soul, mind and strength and loving my neighbor as myself.

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