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11-06-2012 at 7:57 PM
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STTN Question

My son is 2 months old and almost 14 pounds.  My sister kept telling me to let him cry in the middle of the night instead of going to get him as soon as he makes noise for his midnight feeding.  So I started this on Sunday night.  He woke up around 3:30AM, and I just laid there listening to him.  He would cry once or twice and then just make his noises.  I ended up falling asleep and woke up around 4:30AM and he was sleeping.  He didn't get up til we woke him at 6:30AM.  I did the same thing last night, and he just made noises for about an hour or so and went back to sleep.  He doesn't scream crying, or cry for longer than a second or so at a time. 

I am hoping that by allowing him to put himself back to sleep, that he will learn to sleep through the night and hopefully stop waking up at 3:30 every night.   Has anyone else's baby done this?  Does this lead to him sleeping completely through the night?  How long does it take?
 
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11-06-2012 at 8:01 PM
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Are you going to him? Are you sure he is awake? C cries in her sleep sometimes and does not actually wake up. She's been sleeping 7-9 hours (10PM - 5 or 7AM) since she was 4 weeks. I'm sure it will change back and forth, but I've been lucky so far. But sometimes she starts crying, and if I check on her, she is 100% still asleep.

If your son is actually waking up and not crying, then hopefully he will soon just continue sleeping the whole time! GL!

 ETA: I don't know if it matters, but she is 6 weeks now. At her one month checkup she was 13 pounds 2 ounces.

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11-06-2012 at 8:06 PM
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sounds right...but i guess i'm not the one to answer this........as soon as LO makes a peep i'm out of bed and grabbing her....i don't mean too, i don't even realize i'm doing it!  She's never going to sleep thru the night!
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11-06-2012 at 8:39 PM
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Wait, you let your two month old CIO in the middle of the night? No, you should not do that, in my opinion. It is VERY normal to eat more than once a night at this age. Once a night for a 2 month old is a dream. It's doesn't matter how much your baby weighs, at 2 months old if they wake up to eat you should feed them. 

Now, if he really just made a few grunts and went back to sleep, I think that's fine, but you said he cried. I don't think you should use any kind of CIO at this age. STTN is 5 hours of straight sleep, not 11 or 12. Some kids don't STTN 12 hours until they are 1 or 2...then again, most adults wake up at night.  

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11-06-2012 at 9:34 PM
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What does CIO mean? He isnt sleeping 12 hours...he goes to bed around 10 or so and we get him up around 7 for work. And he isnt full blown crying...he grunts and makes noises and lets out a cry every now and then. I dont go in cuz our door and floor squeaks...but I think the pp is right. From the way he sounds, its like he is just doing this in his sleep.
 
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11-06-2012 at 9:40 PM
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Your baby is way too young to sleep train. Did you talk to your pedi about sleep? Doctors/specialist will tell you not to sleep train until at least 4mo. My pedi said to wait until 6mo. If your baby wakes in the night and cries, go to him. Please don't listen to your sister and let him cry.
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11-06-2012 at 10:03 PM
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LalaMama81:

Wait, you let your two month old CIO in the middle of the night? No, you should not do that, in my opinion. It is VERY normal to eat more than once a night at this age. Once a night for a 2 month old is a dream. It's doesn't matter how much your baby weighs, at 2 months old if they wake up to eat you should feed them. 

Now, if he really just made a few grunts and went back to sleep, I think that's fine, but you said he cried. I don't think you should use any kind of CIO at this age. STTN is 5 hours of straight sleep, not 11 or 12. Some kids don't STTN 12 hours until they are 1 or 2...then again, most adults wake up at night.  

From her post, I don't think she's letting him CIO. My LO is 6 weeks and I don't go to her the second she makes a noise. I did at first, then realized she is just making noises in her sleep. She even cries (for up to a minute sometimes) in her sleep. I've gone to her and seen this, and I can see it clearly on our video monitor. It's very normal for babies to cry briefly or grunt/make noises in their sleep, and not need anything.

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11-06-2012 at 10:41 PM
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LalaMama81:

Wait, you let your two month old CIO in the middle of the night? No, you should not do that, in my opinion. It is VERY normal to eat more than once a night at this age. Once a night for a 2 month old is a dream. It's doesn't matter how much your baby weighs, at 2 months old if they wake up to eat you should feed them. 

Now, if he really just made a few grunts and went back to sleep, I think that's fine, but you said he cried. I don't think you should use any kind of CIO at this age. STTN is 5 hours of straight sleep, not 11 or 12. Some kids don't STTN 12 hours until they are 1 or 2...then again, most adults wake up at night.  

No, she never said he was CIO... in fact she said he only made a crying noise once followed by baby noises. My DS does this as well. Prior to last week we were feeding him twice a night at 3 months old. I wold grab him at any noise... I popped the paci in one night out of desperation  and he went right back to sleep...so I cut it down to once a night feedings for a few nights and then I used the Paci trick for that feeding as well and for the past three nights he has slept 8 pm til 8 am with no feedings. He wasn't even actually waking up those nights, he was just grunting and moving. I read a blog on sleeping: troublesometots.com. She is fantastic! I highly recommend it!
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11-07-2012 at 4:45 AM
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Most babies are very nosy sleepers. I learned when we moved DD1 to her own room at like 8 weeks that the majority of the time she's asleep making all those grunts and whimpers. I wait for DD2 to cry at night before comforting or feeding.
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11-07-2012 at 6:23 AM
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pupluv0410:

My son is 2 months old and almost 14 pounds.  My sister kept telling me to let him cry in the middle of the night instead of going to get him as soon as he makes noise for his midnight feeding.  So I started this on Sunday night.  He woke up around 3:30AM, and I just laid there listening to him.  He would cry once or twice and then just make his noises.  


She said this. Which sounds to me like she is planning on letting him cry even if she hasn't already.

I know babies are noisy sleepers. I know sometimes they fuss a second and go back to sleep. That said, very few 2 months olds only wake up once a night let alone none.

If a baby is crying to eat it means you have already missed their hunger cues. This is tricky at night because you can't see their other hunger signs as easily. 

There is nothing about a 2 month old or a 14lb 2 month old that means you should try to phase out their night feedings, they aren't ready. I think it is not wise to sub a pacifier for food at this age either, they are too young. 

 

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11-07-2012 at 6:29 AM
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If your child is making noises for an hour (and he isn't sleeping) feed him. He is only 2 months old.
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11-07-2012 at 7:38 AM
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LalaMama81:
pupluv0410:

My son is 2 months old and almost 14 pounds.  My sister kept telling me to let him cry in the middle of the night instead of going to get him as soon as he makes noise for his midnight feeding.  So I started this on Sunday night.  He woke up around 3:30AM, and I just laid there listening to him.  He would cry once or twice and then just make his noises.  


She said this. Which sounds to me like she is planning on letting him cry even if she hasn't already.

I know babies are noisy sleepers. I know sometimes they fuss a second and go back to sleep. That said, very few 2 months olds only wake up once a night let alone none.

If a baby is crying to eat it means you have already missed their hunger cues. This is tricky at night because you can't see their other hunger signs as easily. 

There is nothing about a 2 month old or a 14lb 2 month old that means you should try to phase out their night feedings, they aren't ready. I think it is not wise to sub a pacifier for food at this age either, they are too young. 

 

My DS is 13 weeks , his Pedi is fine with it and he makes up the difference during the day. So now he takes 5 oz bottles instead of 4 and at 13 pds eats 30 oz a day. He was a preemie hence the lower than average weight.  The past two nights he hasn't even stirred which tells me he was just used to eating at those times. If a baby is actually hungry a paci is not going to do anything. 
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11-07-2012 at 8:40 AM
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Your sister has no idea what she's talking about. 2 month old babies are NOT capable of self-soothing, and if your LO wakes to feed at that age, please feed him. Sleep training shouldn't even be considered until well after 4 months.
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11-07-2012 at 10:02 AM
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Is he crying or is he fussing?  That's the important thing.  I used to go to my LO everytime I heard a noise!  I'd get her out of the crib whether her eyes we open or closed and change her and feed her.  Finally my husband told me to let her fuss for a minute (looking back now I know she was just making noises in her sleep).  WHen I did this she slept for a lot longer because I wasn't waking her up every 3 hours! I know you say your floor sqeaks, ours does too, but when she's making these noises it's important to see if her eyes are opened or closed? If they are closed the I'd just let her be but if she's laying there awake and fussing/making noises then she needs to be fed or changed.  I never would have thought that a LO would go to sleep if they are hungry but they do! At one point we bought new bottles where the nipples were defective and had a tiny or no hole.  LO sucked but didn't eat.  I thought she was not hungry or sick (she was super young, I know a lot better now!) and she fell asleep with only eating very little.  So it's defnitely possible she's waking up because she's hungry.  Hope this helps!
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11-07-2012 at 10:50 AM
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pupluv0410:

My son is 2 months old and almost 14 pounds.  My sister kept telling me to let him cry in the middle of the night instead of going to get him as soon as he makes noise for his midnight feeding.  So I started this on Sunday night.  He woke up around 3:30AM, and I just laid there listening to him.  He would cry once or twice and then just make his noises.  


She said this. Which sounds to me like she is planning on letting him cry even if she hasn't already.

I know babies are noisy sleepers. I know sometimes they fuss a second and go back to sleep. That said, very few 2 months olds only wake up once a night let alone none.

If a baby is crying to eat it means you have already missed their hunger cues. This is tricky at night because you can't see their other hunger signs as easily. 

There is nothing about a 2 month old or a 14lb 2 month old that means you should try to phase out their night feedings, they aren't ready. I think it is not wise to sub a pacifier for food at this age either, they are too young. 

 

My DS is 13 weeks , his Pedi is fine with it and he makes up the difference during the day. So now he takes 5 oz bottles instead of 4 and at 13 pds eats 30 oz a day. He was a preemie hence the lower than average weight.  The past two nights he hasn't even stirred which tells me he was just used to eating at those times. If a baby is actually hungry a paci is not going to do anything. 


Your pedi thought it was a good idea to wean a barely 3 month old preemie from a night feeding? I strongly disagree.

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We were going to start sleep training per our pedi at 6 weeks (he told us we could try it, but to be prepared to modify it) but didn't even need to.  Our DD sleep trained herself thanks to our bedtime routine.  She's asleep by 730, and sleeps until 6, then eats, and goes back to sleep until 9 or so. 

Every baby is different.  LO doesn't even make a peep at night, but around 530 or so starts making jabbering noises.  When I check on her, she's asleep, but I can tell she's getting ready to wake up.  330 might just be the time your LO needs to eat, and that might continue for a few weeks.  DD got up at 1250 and 355 every single night for 13 days straight.  Same times every night.  Your LO will sleep through the night, it might just take longer.
 
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11-07-2012 at 2:37 PM
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To the people who said 2 month olds shouldn't be STTN, some kids just do it. My DD started sleeping from 9:30pm to 6:30am at about 6 weeks with no feedings. She phased out the feedings on her own, I had nothing to do with it. The doctor said it was fine to not wake her as her weight and poop/pee output is normal/on target. She is however, a loud sleeper when she sleeps on her back. If this persons child is only making noises in his sleep, then there is no point in waking the child as long as they are getting enough to eat and the poop/pee output is normal.
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11-07-2012 at 3:54 PM
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To the people who said 2 month olds shouldn't be STTN, some kids just do it. My DD started sleeping from 9:30pm to 6:30am at about 6 weeks with no feedings. She phased out the feedings on her own, I had nothing to do with it. The doctor said it was fine to not wake her as her weight and poop/pee output is normal/on target. She is however, a loud sleeper when she sleeps on her back. If this persons child is only making noises in his sleep, then there is no point in waking the child as long as they are getting enough to eat and the poop/pee output is normal.

I don't disagree with you. I am speaking to those actively trying to wean them from night feedings. And a 2 month old that fusses for more than a few minutes is asking to eat.

Yes, some babies will STTN 10-12 hours at 2 months. Most will not. Most will need to eat a few times. I believe the most recent study I read said that about half of one year olds still wake up at night (not necessarily to eat, but some do). 

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To the people who said 2 month olds shouldn't be STTN, some kids just do it. My DD started sleeping from 9:30pm to 6:30am at about 6 weeks with no feedings. She phased out the feedings on her own, I had nothing to do with it. The doctor said it was fine to not wake her as her weight and poop/pee output is normal/on target. She is however, a loud sleeper when she sleeps on her back. If this persons child is only making noises in his sleep, then there is no point in waking the child as long as they are getting enough to eat and the poop/pee output is normal.

No one said they shouldn't be sttn. What I said is that they shouldn't be sleep trained. Because they shouldn't.
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My apologies, I obviously misread the posts!

I think it is important for her to do whatever the doctor says she should do. So my best advice would be to talk it over with a professional.

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My son is 2 months old and almost 14 pounds.&nbsp; My sister kept telling me to let him cry in the middle of the night instead of going to get him as soon as he makes noise for his midnight feeding.&nbsp; So I started this on Sunday night.&nbsp; He woke up around 3:30AM, and I just laid there listening to him.&nbsp; He would cry once or twice and then just make his noises. &nbsp;


She said this. Which sounds to me like she is planning on letting him cry even if she hasn't already.

I know babies are noisy sleepers. I know sometimes they fuss a second and go back to sleep. That said, very few 2 months olds only wake up once a night let alone none.

If a baby is crying to eat it means you have already missed their hunger cues. This is tricky at night because you can't see their other hunger signs as easily.&nbsp;

There is nothing about a 2 month old or a 14lb 2 month old that means you should try to phase out their night feedings, they aren't ready. I think it is not wise to sub a pacifier for food at this age either, they are too young.&nbsp;

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Your pedi thought it was a good idea to wean a barely 3 month old preemie from a night feeding? I strongly disagree.



Im sorry but him going from 2 feeds to none in 3 days because I realized that his noises were just baby noises he never cries... I always pick him up at even a wimper is not sleep training. When I would pick him up for those 2 feeds he would mouth the bottle and take an hour to get 2 oz because he was sleeping.
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To the people who said 2 month olds shouldn't be STTN, some kids just do it. My DD started sleeping from 9:30pm to 6:30am at about 6 weeks with no feedings. She phased out the feedings on her own, I had nothing to do with it. The doctor said it was fine to not wake her as her weight and poop/pee output is normal/on target. She is however, a loud sleeper when she sleeps on her back. If this persons child is only making noises in his sleep, then there is no point in waking the child as long as they are getting enough to eat and the poop/pee output is normal.

I don't disagree with you. I am speaking to those actively trying to wean them from night feedings. And a 2 month old that fusses for more than a few minutes is asking to eat.

Yes, some babies will STTN 10-12 hours at 2 months. Most will not. Most will need to eat a few times. I believe the most recent study I read said that about half of one year olds still wake up at night (not necessarily to eat, but some do).&nbsp;



Did I miss where she said fussing? I certainly never said my DS was fussing. I said he was making baby noises with his eyes closed that I thought meant he was hungry. The second night he STTN i wasted 2 bottles, I made them but he didnt wake to eat them. I would never let him go hungry and neither would anybody here.

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Reread, OP did say lo would cry briefly. I agree a crying/fussing baby should be fed.
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