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11-13-2012 at 11:00 AM
ChevyFam71...
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Flu + Autism News Story?

Anyone else see this on the news?

Not to scare anyone - Nothing is proven to lead to it, but it says mothers who remember having the flu had a 2% likliness of autism instead of 1%...

IIt is an exploratory study and it is basically the same as the: "boys are more likely to have autism" or "Fathers over 40 at conception more likely to have child with autism" or "Multiple children with gaps less than 3 years more likely to have autism" etc...

That still leaves 98% of mothers who had the flu without an autistic child... so not too much to worry about, but just wondering what anyone else thought of it or if anyone else saw it?

If anything they are just pushing harder for pregnant women to get a flu-shot...


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11-13-2012 at 11:08 AM
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I think it was discussed yesterday in some of the boards, I am not sure about this one.

 
11-13-2012 at 11:14 AM
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I'm not convinced they're any closer to figuring out what causes autism. However, I did get the flu shot because my doctor recommended it.. but not because I thought it would prevent autism. I just didn't want to get sick while I was pregnant.

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11-13-2012 at 11:29 AM
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It seems like there is always seem story about something out there than can cause autism. I'm not trying to downplay autism, but to me the story really sounds like a scare tactic to get pregnant women to get the flu shot. 

That being said, I had my flu shot last month, but that's just because I don't want to get sick and I want my newborn to have some protection when he's born in the middle of flu season.  

11-13-2012 at 11:42 AM
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The issue isn't so much the flu virus, but the fever that is symptomatic of the flu.

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11-13-2012 at 12:06 PM
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mabenner1:
The issue isn't so much the flu virus, but the fever that is symptomatic of the flu.

I saw this on the news with Diane Sawyer and they didn't discuss that the fever was the issue. Thanks for pointing that out!

I also had my flu-shot like 6-8 weeks ago... because my OB recommended it and I really don't want to get sick when there is such a limitation on medicines you can take while pregnant.


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11-13-2012 at 12:12 PM
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Wonderful. I just had the flu on halloween.

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11-13-2012 at 12:38 PM
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i swear i am the most paranoid mommy to be with all the stuff that could possibly happen, or that they dont have reasons for why it does happen. this makes me so glad i got my flu shot. ): thats crazy.

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11-13-2012 at 12:43 PM
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From what I read, since it's epidemiological, you can't tell if the problem was the flu itself, the fever, or something else that co-occurs.   I agree that unless you read the study yourself, you can't really trust the media interpretation, and one study with a correlation is not very compelling.  At the same time, unless you find evidence that vaccine companies are behind the study or the story, I think it's wrong to assume that there is any motivation behind the story or that "they" (the media?  the scientific community?) are trying to motivate women to act in any one way.  In general, as has been discussed before, the best thing you can do is to get the vaccines your doctor recommends.  
 
11-13-2012 at 2:44 PM
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The Flu vaccine scares me. There are so many weird side affects and its not guaranteed to work. I just stay away from sick people and wash my hand a lot. The one time i got the vaccine, i was sick with the flu for over a week. 

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11-13-2012 at 3:01 PM
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I actually posted about it yesterday on this board.  I teach students with special needs and I have quite a bit of experience with children with Autism.  In MY professional opinion (and teachers don't diagnose children) it seems that if they don't fit into any other category but something isn't "quite right" they are labeled as being on the spectrum.  They don't know what causes autism and the symptoms and manifestations of autism are so broad, I don't know how it can be specifically stated that a student/ child has autism.  I know that there are criteria that they must meet, but it is so very broad and NONE of my students that have the identificaiton do any of the same things.  They have nothing in common when it comes to their interests, academics, or interractions with others.  They can measure "normal" in 4/5 categories and score very low on another category and they can carry the autism label.  I will say this though, I have never had a little girl in my class that is identified as having autism.  Sex is the only similarity that I have seen. 

I totally got the flu shot though.  Who wants to deal with getting the flu while dealing with being pregnant?  I got it last time too.  Since I work in a school, it's so hard to stay well.  Gotta try to stack the cards as much as I can in my favor.


 
11-13-2012 at 4:04 PM
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I didn't see the ABC one, but a friend of mine posted this earlier today:

http://www.livescience.com/24733-autism-fever-flu-pregnancy-inflammation.html

And it's not the first recent article I've read about immunology (in the mother) and autism being linked. Theories seem to come & go like fads. In the early 90's autism was blamed on "refrigerator mothers". Also, like another poster said, it's being used as a catch-all for developmental disorders. Parents and providers alike are pushing the diagnosis because it merits additional insurance coverage (Medicaid) whereas other diagnoses are not covered.


                
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11-13-2012 at 5:51 PM
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Here is a link to the DSM IV (current) criteria for diagnosing autism.  As you can see, the criteria can come from a number of different categories which is why one poster notes that none of her students with autism are the same.  Of course, people with autism are just as unique as any other person so I am always confused as to why people expect them to be the same.  In any case, the DSM V will change the criteria for receiving an autism diagnosis.

Bruno Bettleheim wrote the book The Empty Fortress: Infantile Autism and the Birth of the Self in the 1960s.  Even then, the "refrigerator mother" theory was on its way out.  

Statistically, boys are approximately 4-5 times more likely to have autism than girls. 

As someone who has a child on the autism spectrum and had the flu while pregnant, I am sweating this statistic 0%...and my odds of having another child on the spectrum are quite a bit higher than 2%. :)

11-13-2012 at 5:57 PM
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Eh I feel like they're grasping at straws for a "reason" why kids have autism. My son is autistic and I didn't have the flu when I was pregnant, nor is my husband over 40, nor was I obese when I was pregnant (all things I've heard before)

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11-13-2012 at 5:58 PM
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sherina825:

I actually posted about it yesterday on this board.  I teach students with special needs and I have quite a bit of experience with children with Autism.  In MY professional opinion (and teachers don't diagnose children) it seems that if they don't fit into any other category but something isn't "quite right" they are labeled as being on the spectrum.  They don't know what causes autism and the symptoms and manifestations of autism are so broad, I don't know how it can be specifically stated that a student/ child has autism.  I know that there are criteria that they must meet, but it is so very broad and NONE of my students that have the identificaiton do any of the same things.  They have nothing in common when it comes to their interests, academics, or interractions with others.  They can measure "normal" in 4/5 categories and score very low on another category and they can carry the autism label.  I will say this though, I have never had a little girl in my class that is identified as having autism.  Sex is the only similarity that I have seen. 

I totally got the flu shot though.  Who wants to deal with getting the flu while dealing with being pregnant?  I got it last time too.  Since I work in a school, it's so hard to stay well.  Gotta try to stack the cards as much as I can in my favor.

 

I completely agree with you. I also am a teacher who spent 4 years as an MD teacher. Autism is the new ADD/ADHD.

That being said, my nephew was just diagnosed with autism. The evaluation took months and factored in multiple facets of social, cognitive, sensory functioning.  My sister said that only a small part of the evaluation even asked about pregnancy/birth complications. I think they are fishing.... 


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11-14-2012 at 7:57 AM
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nettie27:
The Flu vaccine scares me. There are so many weird side affects and its not guaranteed to work. I just stay away from sick people and wash my hand a lot. The one time i got the vaccine, i was sick with the flu for over a week. 

No, you weren't. The flu vaccine, the needle, can not give you the flu. You can have cold symptoms, yes, but not the actual flu.


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11-15-2012 at 3:58 AM
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Autism has SPIKED since we were kids. The flu has been around since long before then. I really believe that whatever causes autism, it's something environmental that is fairly new to our society - More pesticides, chemicals in toys and clothes and furniture, etc.

Definitely a scare tactic - Flu shot companies probably funded the study.


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