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11-19-2012 at 1:09 AM
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We have decided on the name Rian Olivia for our baby girl, but my mother keeps saying rain olivia... I get the i instead on the y (Ryan) can confuse people at first ( maybe)  but it isn't that uncommon.. Plus after being corrected a few thousand times you think she would get it. We both just think that the spelling Ryan is more masculine...what are your thoughts?
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11-19-2012 at 1:27 AM
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Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.
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11-19-2012 at 2:06 AM
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WashingtonQueen:
Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.


This. You are naming your girl a boy's name, which is fine because it's your baby to name, but you have to own the fact that doing so incurs some additional complications. For example, people might think your daughter is a boy, or people will misspell her name, or people will strongly dislike her name. If you are not up for this, choose a girl name.

For the record, I do not prefer boy names on girls.

Also, I initially thought Rian would be REE ON.
 
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11-19-2012 at 2:26 AM
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I named my daughter Jordynn thinking it made it look more feminine. While I still like the spelling of her name I wish I would have just spelled it Jordan so I wouldn't have to constantly correct people...I say spell it Ryan. If you really want to spell it different I prefer Ryann over Rian...but I'd stick with Ryan
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11-19-2012 at 2:37 AM
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JaneDrewAK:
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Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.

This. You are naming your girl a boy's name, which is fine because it's your baby to name, but you have to own the fact that doing so incurs some additional complications. For example, people might think your daughter is a boy, or people will misspell her name, or people will strongly dislike her name. If you are not up for this, choose a girl name.

For the record, I do not prefer boy names on girls.

Also, I initially thought Rian would be REE ON.

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11-19-2012 at 4:25 AM
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Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.

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Is your mother mispronouncing the name on purpose?  Do you think she is trying to make a point of some sort, like maybe other people will incorrectly pronounce it as well?

If you are going to name you baby Ryan, just spell it that way.  It will make it a lot easier for everyone.  Ryan or Rian, either way you spell it, are both very masculine, IMO. 
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11-19-2012 at 5:48 AM
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I love Ryan for a girl.  I've known several Ryan's and think its beautiful.  I do like Ryan or Ryann best, but if you love Rian, go with it!
 
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11-19-2012 at 6:18 AM
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WashingtonQueen:
Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.

Yup.

If you want to name your daughter Ryan, then fine, but own it.  Spell it correctly.  Changing letters doesn't do anything but misspell the name - it certainly doesn't feminize it.  Is and Ys aren't inherently masculine or feminine. 

Just be aware that your mother won't be the last person who has a hard time with this name on a girl.  Yes, some people name their girls Ryan, but many many many many people see it as a masculine name.
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Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.

 

Yes 

This! IMO spelling it differently to make it seem feminine is silly. No one will know it's a youneek spelling when her name is said out loud. They will most likely just assume it's "Ryan" and think she's a boy. 

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JaneDrewAK:
WashingtonQueen:
Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.
This. You are naming your girl a boy's name, which is fine because it's your baby to name, but you have to own the fact that doing so incurs some additional complications. For example, people might think your daughter is a boy, or people will misspell her name, or people will strongly dislike her name. If you are not up for this, choose a girl name. For the record, I do not prefer boy names on girls. Also, I initially thought Rian would be REE ON.

 

This-I was def. reading it as REE-AN
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Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.

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11-19-2012 at 6:47 AM
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When I first read the name my head actually pronounced it as Ri-Ann.

I do think agree with other posters that Ryan is a very masculine regardless of spelling.

But I love Ri-ann Olivia!

 
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11-19-2012 at 6:52 AM
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I grew up with two girls named Ryan. One was spelled that way, and another was Ryanne.
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11-19-2012 at 7:00 AM
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I read it as "REE-ann", not Ryan.


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Kendrav4:
I named my daughter Jordynn thinking it made it look more feminine. While I still like the spelling of her name I wish I would have just spelled it Jordan so I wouldn't have to constantly correct people...I say spell it Ryan. If you really want to spell it different I prefer Ryann over Rian...but I'd stick with Ryan

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11-19-2012 at 7:15 AM
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alphalyrae:
I read it as "REE-ann", not Ryan.

 

Me too, but at first glance I did think she just misspelled Rain.

 

OP, She will forever be correcting the spelling. If someone hears the pronunciation of "Ryan", that's how they are going to spell it.

 

 
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11-19-2012 at 8:14 AM
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alphalyrae:
I read it as "REE-ann", not Ryan.

This. I'm pretty sure phonetically there is no "Ryan" sound with that spelling.

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11-19-2012 at 8:15 AM
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Rian is also a girls name of Welsh origin. I actually know an 83yr old woman with the name. She is from Wales. This is the correct spelling for the female version of the name. 
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11-19-2012 at 8:26 AM
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Rian is also a girls name of Welsh origin. I actually know an 83yr old woman with the name. She is from Wales. This is the correct spelling for the female version of the name. 

 

I believe traditional Welsh would be Rhian, not Rian.

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11-19-2012 at 8:31 AM
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I must be one of the few that likes Ryan on a girl... however I would definitely lean towards spelling it Ryann instead of Rion if you want a variation from the traditional masculine spelling.  I would tend to mispronounce Rion as Ree-an. There was a little girl on  "Quints by Surprise" on TLC named Ryann and I thought she was super cute it definitely fit her
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I LOVE the name Ryan for a girl. It is a name that has been used for girls for a very long time. Though not super common it isn't totally uncommon. 

I like the Rian spelling but you will have to spell it for people. I don't think most people will mispronounce it unless they try too hard to figure it out. Just like Riley isn't REE-ley I don't see how Rian is REE-an.

I have 2 girl friends with the name one is Ryane and one is Riann.  

With 2 daughters with "boy names" and many friends with boy names you will run into people that don't like the name but that is with any name. Before naming my oldest (Tommi) I asked opinions from quite a few girls with boy names and every single one of them said they have not had a problem and most people actually like their names. So I wouldn't worry about people disliking it. After 3.5 years of having my Tommi the worst responses to her name were from this forum.
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11-19-2012 at 9:33 AM
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WashingtonQueen:
Ryan is masculine no matter which way you spell or misspell it.

Yup.

If you want to name your daughter Ryan, then fine, but own it.  Spell it correctly.  Changing letters doesn't do anything but misspell the name - it certainly doesn't feminize it.  Is and Ys aren't inherently masculine or feminine. 

Just be aware that your mother won't be the last person who has a hard time with this name on a girl.  Yes, some people name their girls Ryan, but many many many many people see it as a masculine name.

Ditto. Own it.  Spell it Ryan. 

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11-19-2012 at 9:41 AM
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Mrs.Frazier:

I like the Rian spelling but you will have to spell it for people. I don't think most people will mispronounce it unless they try too hard to figure it out. Just like Riley isn't REE-ley I don't see how Rian is REE-an.

It will be a bit confusing to people familiar with names like Rhian, Rhiannon, and Rhianna, which are pronounced with a REE- not REYE- sound.

But to the OP's point: The real problem here is that your mother can't seem to grasp the fairly simple spelling/pronunciation after you've corrected her. If you haven't already, you will need to sit her down and say, "Mom, you seem to be having some trouble with the baby's name. We are naming her REYE-in, spelled R-I-A-N. It sounds just like Ryan. You keep saying Rain, but that is not her name." Be direct. Be clear. If she is a person of normal intelligence, this is well within her ability to grasp, and further failure to do so should be interpreted as hostility and manipulation.

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I pronounced Rian as Rhine like the Rhine River. I didn't know it was supposed to be Ryan until finishing the post. I think it will be commonly mispronounced, sorry.

To me, Ryan is a boys name, but if you're insisting on naming your daughter this, maybe Ryann or Ryane would be less confused than Rian? 

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Thanks for the advice everyone. I think we are still sticking with Rian though, SO is Irish and that's the way it's spelt ( the feminine way). As long as nobody else here is misinterpreting it as R-A-I-N I think we are okay. That was my main concern, idk if my mom thinks she's funny or what but I really hope she grasps the fact that my daughters name will be RIAN OLIVIA!
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whiterabbit646:
Thanks for the advice everyone. I think we are still sticking with Rian though, SO is Irish and that's the way it's spelt ( the feminine way). As long as nobody else here is misinterpreting it as R-A-I-N I think we are okay. That was my main concern, idk if my mom thinks she's funny or what but I really hope she grasps the fact that my daughters name will be RIAN OLIVIA!

I did some looking up. Rian is NOT the feminine form. See links.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/rian

http://www.babynames.it/boyname/Rian-meaning.htm

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Rian

http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Rian.html

http://www.babynology.com/meaning-rian-m13.html

I would love to know where you found your information that says it is a girl name.

Name your kid whatever you want, it is your choice but, do not give your kid a name because you *think* it is a girl name when it is not. Rian is a boy's name.

 
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whiterabbit646:
Thanks for the advice everyone. I think we are still sticking with Rian though, SO is Irish and that's the way it's spelt ( the feminine way). As long as nobody else here is misinterpreting it as R-A-I-N I think we are okay. That was my main concern, idk if my mom thinks she's funny or what but I really hope she grasps the fact that my daughters name will be RIAN OLIVIA!

You and your SO can, of course, name your baby whatever you'd like. But, in your mind the only 'unacceptable' mispronunciation is "rain" but all the other mispronunciations are ok? Either way, most PPs did state, that they mispronounced the name, and just something to consider. You'll daughter will have to deal with it her entire life.

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Unfortunately, I think your mother is just giving you a sneak preview of how the rest of the world will react as well to this name.  Ryan is masculine no matter how you spell it, and both you and your daughter will have to continually correct people on the spelling and pronunciation of her name for the rest of her life.  Personally,  I wouldn't do it, I would pick another name.  I do love Olivia.
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whiterabbit646:
Thanks for the advice everyone. I think we are still sticking with Rian though, SO is Irish and that's the way it's spelt ( the feminine way).

 Oh, your husband is from Ireland? Mine is too, what a cool coincidence! Mine disagrees with yours though, he says 'Ri' would never be used as a girls name because it literally translates to 'king', and he's pretty sure the translation for Rian would be 'little king' in Gaelic(didn't your DH take Gaelic in school?). So ummm yeah, he doesn't agree with you on that point. 

He clarified a bit and asked me to let you know if it was Rían it would be pronounced Ree-an, without the fada it would be pronounced Reh-an, and if there wasn't a fada over the i there should be one over the a. He says either way it would NOT be pronounced like Ryan if you are trying to do it the Irish way and not the made-up way.

 

 
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