wow - i couldn't imagine. 

how sad for the family 

This actually pisses me off! Not only did she take her life but she murdered her two unborn sons. If you want to be guaranteed a girl then ADOPT! FFS!

I know it may "piss some people off" but this woman clearly had mental illness issues. A sane person doesn't do this. It is sad, but getting angry b/c of an illness doesn't help those with mental illness. If someone had a brain tumor affecting their decision making and committed a heinous act are we angry at them? I'm more sad then mad at this sort of news.

This is truly tragic. However, if she didn't present with suicidal ideation to her psychiatrist there is not much he could have done. It doesn't say the doctor's side. He probably did ask if she had a plan, ideation, means, etc. The meds she was on might not have been helping as much as her previous meds but she might not have been able to take them b/c of the risk to the babies. Often times people that have made up their mind to take their life often present quite the opposite. They seem as if they are at peace with their decision. 

I'm really not trying to be too devil's advocate or stir the pot but I'm in the mental health field and work with high risk patients. Unfortunately sometimes suicidal patient's just don't report the severity of their symptoms and if they decide to truly end their life they find a way. My heart goes out to the family, friends, and the mental health professionals working with her. I wish they did see how severe it was. 

Mom2aBoy:

This actually pisses me off! Not only did she take her life but she murdered her two unborn sons. If you want to be guaranteed a girl then ADOPT! FFS!

 

I tend to agree with this too...there are so many people who want children desperately and can't have them. Babies are a miracle no matter what gender...I feel bad because she was obviously mentally ill, but still that was incredibly selfish of her.

sararn2004:

I know it may "piss some people off" but this woman clearly had mental illness issues. A sane person doesn't do this. It is sad, but getting angry b/c of an illness doesn't help those with mental illness. If someone had a brain tumor affecting their decision making and committed a heinous act are we angry at them? I'm more sad then mad at this sort of news.

THIS. The mother didn't kill herself because she was having boys, she killed herself because she was obviously mentally ill and in great distress and wasn't getting the support she needed. I feel awful for this woman and her entire family. She doesn't need you people to hate on her for something you clearly don't understand.

sadsadie:

sararn2004:

I know it may "piss some people off" but this woman clearly had mental illness issues. A sane person doesn't do this. It is sad, but getting angry b/c of an illness doesn't help those with mental illness. If someone had a brain tumor affecting their decision making and committed a heinous act are we angry at them? I'm more sad then mad at this sort of news.

THIS. The mother didn't kill herself because she was having boys, she killed herself because she was obviously mentally ill and in great distress and wasn't getting the support she needed. I feel awful for this woman and her entire family. She doesn't need you people to hate on her for something you clearly don't understand.

I understand mental illness just fine. At 16 I lost my best friend due to suicide because he had a mental illness. Does it make me sad, sure? Did it piss me off, you can bet it did. Also, she is dead so she clearly isn't reading a post a random stranger put on a baby website. 

This is really sad. However, I can't help but think that had she actually had the babies, the tragedy could have ended up in horrific fashion.

MrsTwiddy:

Mom2aBoy:

This actually pisses me off! Not only did she take her life but she murdered her two unborn sons. If you want to be guaranteed a girl then ADOPT! FFS!

 

I tend to agree with this too...there are so many people who want children desperately and can't have them. Babies are a miracle no matter what gender...I feel bad because she was obviously mentally ill, but still that was incredibly selfish of her.

EDIT

It's not this woman's fault other women can't have kids.

I think it's sad that this woman ended up in that state. I feel sorry for her and her family. Suicide is selfish but the people in those situations are clearly not thinking like the rest of us.

EDIT I can't imagine feeling that way because my baby was a boy or girl but there are people who abort when they find out they are having the "wrong"sex. This woman jumped off a cliff. To have kids at home, to have a husband and family you love and still be able to do that, I imagine she was not in a place any of us really understand.

It pisses me off, too.  I understand there was mental illness but when two innocent lives are taken, yeah, it makes me mad.  The nanny who murdered the two children in NYC last month also was obviously mentally ill - still pissed me off that she stabbed two innocent children to death.

 

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder.

I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

RachelG1016:

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder.
I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

There is no proof, but when someone has decided they want to die, they're not necessarily going to make that known to someone who could interfere. My DH's exwife and SD's mother hung herself a month after we started dating. Their dog who had stayed with DH was due to have puppies. When Daisy went into labor that day, DH called exwife and told her, and she was excited and asked if she could come and see the puppies when they were born. Before DH could call and let her know the pups had arrived, she was gone. No one had any idea she was so depressed she would leave her children motherless.

AimeeL85:

It pisses me off, too.  I understand there was mental illness but when two innocent lives are taken, yeah, it makes me mad.  The nanny who murdered the two children in NYC last month also was obviously mentally ill - still pissed me off that she stabbed two innocent children to death.

 

Ditto.

So upsetting. :( 

sararn2004:

I know it may "piss some people off" but this woman clearly had mental illness issues. A sane person doesn't do this. It is sad, but getting angry b/c of an illness doesn't help those with mental illness. If someone had a brain tumor affecting their decision making and committed a heinous act are we angry at them? I'm more sad then mad at this sort of news.

All of this.

It doesn't take away the fact that overall, it is awful, but yes, she clearly has mental issues that needed to be address deeper. 

ETA: The article also said that she wasn't feeling maternal... if she couldn't imagine her life without a daughter, I wish that she would have at least had the conscience to give birth to her sons, and THEN kill herself if that's what she truly wanted to do. 

peacelove&mama:

RachelG1016:

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder.
I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

There is no proof, but when someone has decided they want to die, they're not necessarily going to make that known to someone who could interfere. My DH's exwife and SD's mother hung herself a month after we started dating. Their dog who had stayed with DH was due to have puppies. When Daisy went into labor that day, DH called exwife and told her, and she was excited and asked if she could come and see the puppies when they were born. Before DH could call and let her know the pups had arrived, she was gone. No one had any idea she was so depressed she would leave her children motherless.

I agree. My father committed suicide and he was acting fine the day before. Clearly this is a sad situation but someone who doesn't have a mental illness doesn't take things this hard. No one can understand and to judge her so harshly is not fair.

MelissaRae1525:

peacelove&mama:

RachelG1016:

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder. I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

There is no proof, but when someone has decided they want to die, they're not necessarily going to make that known to someone who could interfere. My DH's exwife and SD's mother hung herself a month after we started dating. Their dog who had stayed with DH was due to have puppies. When Daisy went into labor that day, DH called exwife and told her, and she was excited and asked if she could come and see the puppies when they were born. Before DH could call and let her know the pups had arrived, she was gone. No one had any idea she was so depressed she would leave her children motherless.

I agree. My father committed suicide and he was acting fine the day before. Clearly this is a sad situation but someone who doesn't have a mental illness doesn't take things this hard. No one can understand and to judge her so harshly is not fair.

I get what you're saying, but how is it very different from someone who just murders someone else?  The only thing that was said was that she had a history of depression. Does that mean that if anyone who commits murder or an act of violence against someone else has a history of depression, no one should judge what they did? It's sad because she was a mother, left children behind, and also took her own life...but I just don't see it as more excusable because of a history of depression. She did take two innocent lives with her.

AimeeL85:

MelissaRae1525:

peacelove&mama:

RachelG1016:

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder.
I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

There is no proof, but when someone has decided they want to die, they're not necessarily going to make that known to someone who could interfere. My DH's exwife and SD's mother hung herself a month after we started dating. Their dog who had stayed with DH was due to have puppies. When Daisy went into labor that day, DH called exwife and told her, and she was excited and asked if she could come and see the puppies when they were born. Before DH could call and let her know the pups had arrived, she was gone. No one had any idea she was so depressed she would leave her children motherless.

I agree. My father committed suicide and he was acting fine the day before. Clearly this is a sad situation but someone who doesn't have a mental illness doesn't take things this hard. No one can understand and to judge her so harshly is not fair.

I get what you're saying, but how is it very different from someone who just murders someone else?  The only thing that was said was that she had a history of depression. Does that mean that if anyone who commits murder or an act of violence against someone else has a history of depression, no one should judge what they did? It's sad because she was a mother, left children behind, and also took her own life...but I just don't see it as more excusable because of a history of depression. She did take two innocent lives with her.

I'm not saying what she did was right, and it saddens me that those two little babies never had a chance, I was more addressing Rachel's comment about the mother not mentioning to anyone that she planned on taking her life, and theirs.

I do feel that suicide is a selfish act, and I have a lot of anger towards SD's mother for abandoning her children and inflicting all kinds of mental anguish on a lot of people, just as I feel it was selfish of this woman to kill those boys, but I've never been at a point that low where I don't see another option so I really can't say "she should have talked to someone instead". I don't know how the brain works when you're convinced there's no other way.

peacelove&mama:

AimeeL85:

MelissaRae1525:

peacelove&mama:

RachelG1016:

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder. I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

There is no proof, but when someone has decided they want to die, they're not necessarily going to make that known to someone who could interfere. My DH's exwife and SD's mother hung herself a month after we started dating. Their dog who had stayed with DH was due to have puppies. When Daisy went into labor that day, DH called exwife and told her, and she was excited and asked if she could come and see the puppies when they were born. Before DH could call and let her know the pups had arrived, she was gone. No one had any idea she was so depressed she would leave her children motherless.

I agree. My father committed suicide and he was acting fine the day before. Clearly this is a sad situation but someone who doesn't have a mental illness doesn't take things this hard. No one can understand and to judge her so harshly is not fair.

I get what you're saying, but how is it very different from someone who just murders someone else?  The only thing that was said was that she had a history of depression. Does that mean that if anyone who commits murder or an act of violence against someone else has a history of depression, no one should judge what they did? It's sad because she was a mother, left children behind, and also took her own life...but I just don't see it as more excusable because of a history of depression. She did take two innocent lives with her.

I'm not saying what she did was right, and it saddens me that those two little babies never had a chance, I was more addressing Rachel's comment about the mother not mentioning to anyone that she planned on taking her life, and theirs. I do feel that suicide is a selfish act, and I have a lot of anger towards SD's mother for abandoning her children and inflicting all kinds of mental anguish on a lot of people, just as I feel it was selfish of this woman to kill those boys, but I've never been at a point that low where I don't see another option so I really can't say "she should have talked to someone instead". I don't know how the brain works when you're convinced there's no other way.

Oh I know! I was addressing peacelove&mama....or anyone really, about the mental illness part.  Your story is so sad and I hope your SD was young enough to not have a memory of what happened. :(

AimeeL85:

peacelove&mama:

AimeeL85:

MelissaRae1525:

peacelove&mama:

RachelG1016:

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder.
I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

There is no proof, but when someone has decided they want to die, they're not necessarily going to make that known to someone who could interfere. My DH's exwife and SD's mother hung herself a month after we started dating. Their dog who had stayed with DH was due to have puppies. When Daisy went into labor that day, DH called exwife and told her, and she was excited and asked if she could come and see the puppies when they were born. Before DH could call and let her know the pups had arrived, she was gone. No one had any idea she was so depressed she would leave her children motherless.

I agree. My father committed suicide and he was acting fine the day before. Clearly this is a sad situation but someone who doesn't have a mental illness doesn't take things this hard. No one can understand and to judge her so harshly is not fair.

I get what you're saying, but how is it very different from someone who just murders someone else?  The only thing that was said was that she had a history of depression. Does that mean that if anyone who commits murder or an act of violence against someone else has a history of depression, no one should judge what they did? It's sad because she was a mother, left children behind, and also took her own life...but I just don't see it as more excusable because of a history of depression. She did take two innocent lives with her.

I'm not saying what she did was right, and it saddens me that those two little babies never had a chance, I was more addressing Rachel's comment about the mother not mentioning to anyone that she planned on taking her life, and theirs.

I do feel that suicide is a selfish act, and I have a lot of anger towards SD's mother for abandoning her children and inflicting all kinds of mental anguish on a lot of people, just as I feel it was selfish of this woman to kill those boys, but I've never been at a point that low where I don't see another option so I really can't say "she should have talked to someone instead". I don't know how the brain works when you're convinced there's no other way.

Oh I know! I was addressing peacelove&mama....or anyone really, about the mental illness part.  Your story is so sad and I hope your SD was young enough to not have a memory of what happened. :(

She was 6, and she doesn't know the circumstances yet, just that her mom was ill, which in a way, she was. The grief counsellor told us to wait to give her the full story until she comes to us asking questions. I'm terrified of that day.

peacelove&mama:

AimeeL85:

peacelove&mama:

AimeeL85:

MelissaRae1525:

peacelove&mama:

RachelG1016:

I guess my question is how do they know that she flung herself off the cliff? If there were no indications that she was suicidal and that she told her husband she would see him later and that she loved him it could have been an accident or even murder. I would need to have more information than what that article provided.

There is no proof, but when someone has decided they want to die, they're not necessarily going to make that known to someone who could interfere. My DH's exwife and SD's mother hung herself a month after we started dating. Their dog who had stayed with DH was due to have puppies. When Daisy went into labor that day, DH called exwife and told her, and she was excited and asked if she could come and see the puppies when they were born. Before DH could call and let her know the pups had arrived, she was gone. No one had any idea she was so depressed she would leave her children motherless.

I agree. My father committed suicide and he was acting fine the day before. Clearly this is a sad situation but someone who doesn't have a mental illness doesn't take things this hard. No one can understand and to judge her so harshly is not fair.

I get what you're saying, but how is it very different from someone who just murders someone else?  The only thing that was said was that she had a history of depression. Does that mean that if anyone who commits murder or an act of violence against someone else has a history of depression, no one should judge what they did? It's sad because she was a mother, left children behind, and also took her own life...but I just don't see it as more excusable because of a history of depression. She did take two innocent lives with her.

I'm not saying what she did was right, and it saddens me that those two little babies never had a chance, I was more addressing Rachel's comment about the mother not mentioning to anyone that she planned on taking her life, and theirs. I do feel that suicide is a selfish act, and I have a lot of anger towards SD's mother for abandoning her children and inflicting all kinds of mental anguish on a lot of people, just as I feel it was selfish of this woman to kill those boys, but I've never been at a point that low where I don't see another option so I really can't say "she should have talked to someone instead". I don't know how the brain works when you're convinced there's no other way.

Oh I know! I was addressing peacelove&mama....or anyone really, about the mental illness part.  Your story is so sad and I hope your SD was young enough to not have a memory of what happened. :(

She was 6, and she doesn't know the circumstances yet, just that her mom was ill, which in a way, she was. The grief counsellor told us to wait to give her the full story until she comes to us asking questions. I'm terrified of that day.

I would be too, she is so lucky to have you.  I think I meant I was addressing MelissaRae or anyone else about the mental illness part...the quotes got confusing lol.