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12-02-2012 at 9:56 AM
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"if you're pregnant enough for symptoms your pregnant enough for a positive"

I see this out here all the time and quite honestly it confuses me a bit. Plenty of women have symptoms prior to being able to get a bfp???


I've had two bfps and with both i started waking up once a night to pee a week before positive i don't ever pee in the middle of the night otherwise. And both times a full week and a half before positive i started dropping weight like crazy... Like a lb a day. Otherwise, i have an extremely hard time losing weight thanks to my thyroid
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12-02-2012 at 10:10 AM
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The egg takes 7 to 10 days to implant in your uterus and it takes another few days for enough HCG to build up in your system. At 1.5 weeks before being able to get a positive test, you were probably only a few days past ovulation, depending on your luteal phase, and the egg wouldn't have even implanted yet. The symptoms you were feeling were most likely unrelated.
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12-02-2012 at 10:11 AM
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The egg takes 7 to 10 days to implant in your uterus and it takes another few days for enough HCG to build up in your system. At 1.5 weeks before being able to get a positive test, you were probably only a few days past ovulation, depending on your luteal phase, and the egg wouldn't have even implanted yet. The symptoms you were feeling were most likely unrelated.

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12-02-2012 at 10:16 AM
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I know the egg had not implanted. Its not unheard of to have symptoms prior to that. Given that its happened not once but both times exactly the same and never Amy other time i am positive its not random
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12-02-2012 at 10:17 AM
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MrsM507:

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The egg takes 7 to 10 days to implant in your uterus and it takes another few days for enough HCG to build up in your system. At 1.5 weeks before being able to get a positive test, you were probably only a few days past ovulation, depending on your luteal phase, and the egg wouldn't have even implanted yet. The symptoms you were feeling were most likely unrelated.

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Ktbug613:
I know the egg had not implanted. Its not unheard of to have symptoms prior to that. Given that its happened not once but both times exactly the same and never Amy other time i am positive its not random

No it isn't unheard of. That is because when TTC we tend to symptom watch.

How can you have symptoms when the egg hasn't even implanted yet?
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MommyAmes2:

No it isn't unheard of. That is because when TTC we tend to symptom watch.

How can you have symptoms when the egg hasn't even implanted yet?

Exactly this. Since ttc, I've had lots of symptoms that I "never had before." The thing is, I never paid much attention to my symptoms after O before and now I notice every little thing that seems out of the ordinary.

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12-02-2012 at 10:36 AM
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No it isn't unheard of. That is because when TTC we tend to symptom watch.

How can you have symptoms when the egg hasn't even implanted yet?

Exactly this. Since ttc, I've had lots of symptoms that I "never had before." The thing is, I never paid much attention to my symptoms after O before and now I notice every little thing that seems out of the ordinary.


Yep. You can't have true pregnancy symptoms until the egg has implanted. Before that, it's purely coincidence. 


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Ktbug613:
I know the egg had not implanted. Its not unheard of to have symptoms prior to that. Given that its happened not once but both times exactly the same and never Amy other time i am positive its not random

Well pin a rose on your nose. You are wrong.

At that point any "symptoms" you are experiencing are caused by an increase in progesterone, which happens every cycle after you ovulate. Everyone responds differently, and it is normal for one person's symptoms to change from cycle to cycle. It is not possible to have symptoms caused by HCG prior to implantation because there is no HCG present at that time. Pretty simple. Not rocket science- more like 1'st grade science.

Either you are off on when you ovulated and implantation had occurred when you started experiencing "symptoms" or it is one big coincidence.

 

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I know the egg had not implanted. Its not unheard of to have symptoms prior to that. Given that its happened not once but both times exactly the same and never Amy other time i am positive its not random

Well pin a rose on your nose. You are wrong.

At that point any "symptoms" you are experiencing are caused by an increase in progesterone, which happens every cycle after you ovulate. Everyone responds differently, and it is normal for one person's symptoms to change from cycle to cycle. It is not possible to have symptoms caused by HCG prior to implantation because there is no HCG present at that time. Pretty simple. Not rocket science- more like 1'st grade science.

Either you are off on when you ovulated and implantation had occurred when you started experiencing "symptoms" or it is one big coincidence.

 

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For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.
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12-02-2012 at 12:48 PM
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For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info?  I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out this month.  Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the time!). 
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12-02-2012 at 12:51 PM
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I suppose its possible that it was after implantation but before hcg was high enough to read positive. All i know is its happened twice and its not a coincidence. Of course we are more hyper aware but I've obviously also had cycles that did not end in pregnancy and it didn't happen in those
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12-02-2012 at 12:59 PM
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I suppose its possible that it was after implantation but before hcg was high enough to read positive. All i know is its happened twice and its not a coincidence. Of course we are more hyper aware but I've obviously also had cycles that did not end in pregnancy and it didn't happen in those

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So her pregnancy affected her before she could turn a test, that doesn't mean she made it up in her head or that it was a coincidence.  I had hot flashes, and didn't test positive until 13dpo.  I tried not to read anything into it at the time, but sometimes you can indeed tell something is up before you can get a + test.  Does it do you any good?  No not really.  But there it is.   

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Because its never happened before or after and it happened twice now. The first time i admit i sort of thought i was imagining it but not after the second
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caramia582:

lindsayanne79:
For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info?  I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out this month.  Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the time!). 

Science is an amazing thing. 

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

 

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darjeeling:
So her pregnancy affected her before she could turn a test, that doesn't mean she made it up in her head or that it was a coincidence.  I had hot flashes, and didn't test positive until 13dpo.  I tried not to read anything into it at the time, but sometimes you can indeed tell something is up before you can get a + test.  Does it do you any good?  No not really.  But there it is.   

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GhostMonkey:

caramia582:

lindsayanne79:
For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info? &nbsp;I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out this month. &nbsp;Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the time!).&nbsp;

Science is an amazing thing.&nbsp;

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

&nbsp;

wow chill she was not even being snarky she was genuinely curious.

P.s I'm sure she knows she can google i think she was asking for a more reputable source.
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I have to agree with the others -- you can't have any symptoms prior to implantation. 

When I was previously pregnant, I got implantation bleeding (so I know when I implanted) and an implantation temp dip. I then, for pretty much every single night of my pregnancy, had the symptom you mentioned of having to get up once (or more) per night to pee and I never have to do that normally. I tested at 11 DPO, 3 days post-implantation, and got a positive but I could imagine that maybe I had that one "symptom" at 9 or 10 DPO and would not have gotten a positive then (but I might have if I had tested...it was faint at 11 DPO but not SUUUUPER faint.)  

Were you certain of when you ovulated? I can see getting symptoms for about 2 days prior to seeing a BFP but that's about the max. You can't have hcg before you implant.  
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GhostMonkey:

Ktbug613:
I know the egg had not implanted. Its not unheard of to have symptoms prior to that. Given that its happened not once but both times exactly the same and never Amy other time i am positive its not random

Well pin a rose on your nose. You are wrong.

At that point any "symptoms" you are experiencing are caused by an increase in progesterone, which happens every cycle after you ovulate. Everyone responds differently, and it is normal for one person's symptoms to change from cycle to cycle. It is not possible to have symptoms caused by HCG prior to implantation because there is no HCG present at that time. Pretty simple. Not rocket science- more like 1'st grade science.

Either you are off on when you ovulated and implantation had occurred when you started experiencing "symptoms" or it is one big coincidence.

 

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caramia582:

lindsayanne79:
For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info?  I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out this month.  Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the time!). 

Science is an amazing thing. 

 

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

 

Really?! I'm sorry I'm not as informed and sensible as you.

 

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caramia582:

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For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info?  I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out this month.  Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the time!). 

Science is an amazing thing. 

 

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

 

wow chill she was not even being snarky she was genuinely curious. P.s I'm sure she knows she can google i think she was asking for a more reputable source.

I am quite chill and that wasn't remotely snarky.

And why do you care, Miss Science and Common Sense doesn't apply to me?

 

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GhostMonkey:

caramia582:

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For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info?  I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out this month.  Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the time!). 

Science is an amazing thing. 

 

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

 

wow chill she was not even being snarky she was genuinely curious. P.s I'm sure she knows she can google i think she was asking for a more reputable source.

I am quite chill and that wasn't remotely snarky.

And why do you care, Miss Science and Common Sense doesn't apply to me?

 

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caramia582:

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For about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing, it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly. Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info?  I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out this month.  Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the time!). 

Science is an amazing thing. 

 

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

 

wow chill she was not even being snarky she was genuinely curious. P.s I'm sure she knows she can google i think she was asking for a more reputable source.

I am quite chill and that wasn't remotely snarky.

And why do you care, Miss Science and Common Sense doesn't apply to me?

 

yeah, you were.  

And even if I was? Oh noes, I told someone to Google something instead of Googling it myself and linking it for her. Heaven forbid I suggest someone learn how to look things up on their own.

 

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And even if I was? Oh noes, I told someone to Google something instead of Googling it myself and linking it for her. Heaven forbid I suggest someone learn how to look things up on their own.

Oh GM, you big meanie head. How dare you expect people to use common sense and think for themselves? I mean, they want more reliable sources than Google, like internet strangers. 

I love people who defy the laws of science.
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about the first 8 days after you O your body does the exact same thing,
it doesn't matter if the cycle will produce a PG or not. For those
first days your body assumes pregnancy and prepares accordingly.
Only after the egg implants and begins producing HSG will you begin to
have symptoms causes by PG, anything before that is merely what your
body goes through each month as it prepares. I would imagine if you are
actively TTC, you may be more in tune with your body and notice some of
these things.

I'm curious, where did you get this info?
&nbsp;I'm just wondering because I am only 5dpo right now and definitely
feeling PMS symptoms (not PG) and was getting sad that it meant I'm out
this month. &nbsp;Your post gave me some hope, and I was just wondering if
there was somewhere I could read more about this (you know, to pass the
time!).&nbsp;

Science is an amazing thing.&nbsp;

&nbsp;

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

&nbsp;

wow chill she was not even being snarky she was genuinely curious.

P.s I'm sure she knows she can google i think she was asking for a more reputable source.

I am quite chill and that wasn't remotely snarky.

And why do you care, Miss Science and Common Sense doesn't apply to me?

&nbsp;



First of all take your own advice and do a little research hcg is not the only the only hormone to cause symptoms and secondly a blastocyst secrets certain hormones and proteins prior implantation.

And yes "google or use common sense" came off a little rude. maybe that's not what you meant though
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Science is an amazing thing. 

Google it. Or use a little common sense. Your choice.

wow chill she was not even being snarky she was genuinely curious. P.s I'm sure she knows she can google i think she was asking for a more reputable source.

I am quite chill and that wasn't remotely snarky.

And why do you care, Miss Science and Common Sense doesn't apply to me?

First of all take your own advice and do a little research hcg is not the only the only hormone to cause symptoms and secondly a blastocyst secrets certain hormones and proteins prior implantation. And yes "google or use common sense" came off a little rude. maybe that's not what you meant though

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Yes, you can notice some things before a positive test. Most tests need around 25iu of HCG to turn positive. It's possible to notice differences in your body if you have, say, 15 or 20iu of HCG. When you're going from nothing to 20 in a very short time period, of course it's possible to experience changes.
 
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