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12-06-2012 at 6:24 PM
crpate
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Crazy change of direction

Ok... So after our last failed ivf, we had our wtf meeting with our RE. We laid out plans for more tests, mainly for me since we didn't see my bad egg quality coming. Our original diagnosis was Azoospermia, during this process my husband has been on clomid and they were able o retrieve sperm through a biopsy.

something in the back of my mind kept saying we should do another semen analysis after being on the clomid, the RE said it didn't make much sense because he had 3  with no sperm. But I said let's do it anyway, and of course this time we had 17 million swimmers. Talk about shock.

 So now we have to go back and figure out what now? Still trying to figure out why my eggs were bad quality when all tests were normal.  

 I'm now on dhea and coQ10. I guess we will still have to do ivf? 
 
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12-06-2012 at 6:35 PM
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Like you, I was shocked after my first IVF cycle with bad egg quality.  I'm only 32 for goodness sakes!  I am not sure what the sperm count cut off is for IUI vs IVF.  Can I ask what dosages of dhea and coQ10 you are on and how long you will take them before attempting a second cycle?
11/02/10- DS Born
6/2011- DH started chemo for testicular cancer
9/2011- Remission!!!!
6/2012- IUI #1 natural with HCG shot- banked sperm (BFN)
7/2012- IUI #2 natural with HCG shot- banked sperm (BFN)
-changed RE-
11/13/12- IVF #1 Bravella 225/Menopur 150/Ganarelix, triggered with Lupron. 11/27- 8R/2M + 2 mature next day/ 4 fertilized/ 2 grade III with 20% fragmentation transferred back on day 3. Awaiting report on other 2 to freeze.  
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12-06-2012 at 6:38 PM
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OMG that's so great about the sperm.......  Never thought I'd say that to anyone :)   YAY!!!
Me; 35 DH 32 TTC for over 2 years First mini-IVF Sept 2011... Only 1 egg! ... BFN Switching RE IVF#2 May 2012 9 eggs and only 2 sperm, WTH! BFN IVF#3 Chemical... FML. 2 frosties. SAIF/PAIF ALWAYS WELCOME!!!!!
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12-06-2012 at 6:44 PM
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firesiren:
OMG that's so great about the sperm.......  Never thought I'd say that to anyone :)   YAY!!!

I notice that I am saying alot of things that I never thought that I would say either!  But I am so happy for your husband's sperm! 

Married 12-12-04
TTC since 07
me-36 PCOS, Tubal Problems, and polyps removed 7-12
DH - 36 extremely handsome and no fertility problems
IUI 8-12 and 9-12 failed
IVF 12-21-2012 - 2 I think perfect no matter what the dr graded them (2B)embryos transferred Beta on 12-31-12 Positve - Beta is 21
Beta 2 1-2-13 - 31
Beta 3 1-4-13 - 53
Beta 4 1/9 - 212!
Ultrasound 1/10 - Nothing completely empty uterus Beta 1/14 - 743; Beta 1/17 - 1704 ultrasound shows nothing. Officially a miscarriage. 1/21 Beta 3900 Dr. says it ectopic. Ultrasound shows a miracle heartbeat right in the uterus where it belongs! Dr. says I can be cautiously optomistic!!! Hang in there baby!

 
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12-06-2012 at 6:46 PM
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That is good news about the sperm! DH had similar count and we did IUI. Maybe that would be an option now?

I have low AMH and starting coQ10 and DHEA to help that. Did your RE say how long until they start causing an effect? Do you know if the effect is measurable (ie blood tests) or just through the IVf process? 
Me:30 low AMH; DH:30 MFI (count, motility, morphology) 2 rounds clomid 100 mg -BFN IUI#1- 25 mg clomid- July 2012= BFN! IUI #2 August = BFN! IUI #3 September = BFN! IVF #1 November - converted to IUI #4 due to poor response = BFN IVF #1.2 February- converted to IUI #5 due to poor response = BFN IVF #1.3 April- micro dose Lupron flare with HGH; 14R, 13M, 11F! Transfer of 1 day 5 blast on 4/30, 4 frosties. BFP! Beta #1 9dp5dt= 179; Beta #2 11dp5dt= 442. Stick baby stick!! *trying to keep hope* Image and video hosting by TinyPic 
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12-06-2012 at 7:41 PM
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I took dhea coq10 this cycle. 25mg 3x a day of dhea 200 mg 3xa day of coq10.

"Everything will be alright in the end. So if it's not alright, it is not yet the end."
"She wasn't bitter. She was sad, though. But it was a hopeful kind of sad. The kind of sad that just takes time." The Perks of Being a Wallflower

Me:28 DH:28 TTC since 1/11 Dx: unexplained IF/early DOR
Feb'12- Clomid/TI with CD3 &21 labs(normal)& SA-count 6mil/ml,morph/motil OK-BFN
April'12 Ultrasounds,HSG -clear, slight acurate uterus
5/14 IUI #1-50 mg clomid-post wash total motile count 19.3 prometrium 2dpiui= BFN
6/11-IUI #2-100 mg clomid & prometrium post wash count total motile 17.5 = BFN
7/6 IUI#3 with 100 mg clomid, estridiol, prometrium. post wash total motile count 23.3 = BFN
8/30IVF#1 BCPs, Follistim, Menopur,Ganerelix,Novarel.
ER 9/11-8R, 7M, 5F.
ET 9/14 2 embies transferred. 1 10cell Grade 4, 1 8cell Grade 4. No frosties. BFN
IVF#2 BCPs, Follistim, Menopur, Ganerelix, Novarel, Baby Aspirin
ER 12/5-16R, 12M, 8F!
ET 12/10 5dt! 1 fully expanded blast & 1 early blast. No frosties. BFN
2/13- Saline sono revealed a polyp. All additional labwork coming back normal. Genetic screen revealed DH has MTHFR deficiency & I am a carrier for it.
3/13 hysteroscopy & polypectomy
3/27 Began working with Reproductive Immunologist Dr. Kwak-Kim. Found High NK cells, High DHEAs, slight hypothyroidism, tendency toward blood clots (High PAI-1)Began synthroid & metformin 4/19.
Cycling in July

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12-06-2012 at 7:49 PM
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I take coenzyme Q10.  I tried DHEA, and I don't know if it was related but that cycle my FSH jumped several points.  So I quit the DHEA, even though I know some people suggest it for women with elevated FSH.  
TTC #1 12/2009 BFP #1 1/2010, M/C 6 weeks;
BFP #2 6/2010, DD lost to congenital heart disease, we are heartbroken.
TTC #2 4/2011, Diagnosed MTHFR homo, FVL hetero; Four natural cycles BFN;
8/2011 Hysteroscopy, small septum; Acupuncture; Clomid IUI BFN; Follistim IUI BFN;
1/2012 IVF #1 BFN; 4/2012 FET BFP #3!
5/2012 7w1d u/s: anembryonic demise; M/C @8w.
Laparoscopy 6/2012 found Stage II/III endo, removed w/ laser.
8/2012 IVF #2 epic fail: no viable embryos.
Vacation, break, second opinions, new RE.
1/2013 Surprise chemical pregnancy (break cycle), IVF#3 postponed
2/2013 TI w/ hormonal support, prednisone, aspirin, Lovenox, acupuncture
gave us a miracle BFP!
Heartbeat on U/S at 6w1d! Baby, please stay!! Lilypie Angel and Memorial tickers BabyFetus Ticker 
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12-06-2012 at 7:51 PM
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75 mg of dhea, 600mg of coQ10. I have no idea how long results take or how they can be measured
 
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12-06-2012 at 10:47 PM
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I take 25mg DHEA 3x a day, 400 mg CoQ10 2x a day, 500 mg inositol 2x a day. My RE said 90 days to show an effect. 
Me: 33, Hypothalamic Amenorrhea, DOR (AMH .35), DH: 38, Borderline low morph
5/09- Off BCP, 5/09-9/09- No period, 9/09-9/10- Lots of Tests & accupuncture
10/10 and 11/10- 2 rounds of Menopur + TI= BFNS
12/10-IUI #1 Menopur = BFN
1/11- IUI #2 Menopur = BFP, 2/11 missed mc at 9 weeks, D&C
5/11- Operative Hysteroscopy to remove uterine septum
6/11- IUI #3 Menopur = BFP, 8/11 missed mc at 11 weeks, D&C
1/12- Lap and Operative Hysteroscopy to remove uterine septum (again) & scar tissue
2/12- Stint Removal, 3/12 repeat SHG and HSG- showed scar tissue blocking right tube
4/12- Operative hysteroscopy (again), RE said he can now see right tube (yay!)
5/12- Stint removal, 6/12 repeat SHG and HSG-both tubes are open!
8/12- IUI #4 Bravelle = BFN
9/12-IUI #5 Bravelle = BFN
1/13- IVF #1, micro-flare protocol, 7R, 6F, 5dt of 2 AA embryos, 1 to freeze = BFP
Beta #1: 176, Beta #2: 422, EDD 10/8/13- it's TWINS!
*PAIF/SAIF always welcome*
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12-07-2012 at 7:54 AM
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jadwedd:

firesiren:
OMG that's so great about the sperm.......  Never thought I'd say that to anyone :)   YAY!!!

I notice that I am saying alot of things that I never thought that I would say either!  But I am so happy for your husband's sperm! 

No advice about the egg quality but totally agree with this!! Glad this is going your waY at least, GL!!

TTC since June 2011
DX: DH (30) severe MFI, severely low count & low motility
Me (32): all clear
Appt with Urologist 5/21/12: exam, ultrasound, bloodwork all normal.
Testicular Biopsy with TESE on 6/8/12. good sperm found! (left side only) froze sperm, failed thaw test :(
Orientation for IVF/ICSI on 6/13/12. Waiting for the green light following biopsy results...results show adequate sperm production both sides.
2nd SA 6/18/12: sample is "adequate for ICSI"
Plan: IVF/ICSI July 2012!
ER: 7/26/12. 15 eggs retrieved, all mature.
TESE/TESA/aspiration from epididymis, no motile sperm found :(
froze all eggs, the saga of praying for good sperm continues.
8/3/12: 2nd opinion from MFI uro on biopsy slides. Suspects "partial late maturation arrest."
Plan: more SAs, third biopsy/TESE with frozen back-up either from DH or DS.
SA 8/17/12: Zero sperm
SA 8/23/12: Zero sperm
9/26/12: SPERM FOUND! 15 eggs thawed, 12 survived and were ICSI'd, only 3 fertilized normally. Refrozen as embies and will thaw in Nov. Please survive and grow!
All 3 survived the thaw on 11/15/12!
FET 11/17/12: transferred 2, one 4B, one 4C. Beta 11/30:BFFN
moving on to DS
DIUI#1 2/18/13,50mg Clomid cd 3-7, Ovidrel trigger, Beta 3/4/13: BFN.
DIUI#2 3/19/13, 50 mg Clomid cd 3-7, Ovidrel trigger, Beta #1 (14dpiui) 4/2/13: BFP!!!! 150. Beta #2 4/4/13: 420 Beta #3 4/8/13: 2691. Beta #4 4/15/13: 15,086
1st u/s 4/8/13 shows one gestational sac
2nd u/s 4/15/13 shows yolk sac, fetal pole and early heartbeat
3rd u/s 4/25/13: measuring right on track. Heart rate 148 bpm
PAIF & SAIF always welcome
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