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12-10-2012 at 12:59 PM
mama&baby
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Santa in School

This happened a couple days ago  but I didn't see anything about it on TB..

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/teacher-santa-does-not-exist/2012/12/05/id/466625

A teacher in TX apparently told a bunch of 5 year old kids that Santa doesn't exist and their parents "should tell them the truth". Some people are outraged and others are saying she was right-- things like religion or myth should stay out of school. What do you think about this? If you had kids and someone said this to your kid, how would you handle it?


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12-10-2012 at 1:03 PM
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Aw, I would be sad if that happened to my child.  If you don't want to bring santa up in school, then you don't have to.. but don't tell them he doesn't exist!  It's not her place to do so, at least I don't think so.

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12-10-2012 at 1:05 PM
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 IMO, the teacher in that story could have just chosen to not bring santa/religion into her classroom, and she didnt have to do what she did. that is so not fair to those innocent children... every child deserves to experience the hope and wonder and "magic" of christmas :(

along these same lines, allegedly, there was a christmas parade in my home state recently, and a group of people were attempting to ride on a float in that parade for the sole purpose to shout out to children about how santa doesnt exist and how their parents are going to hell for lying to them. i'm not sure if this group was stopped or got to participate, but either way it breaks my heart. 



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12-10-2012 at 1:05 PM
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ky29:
Aw, I would be sad if that happened to my child.  If you don't want to bring santa up in school, then you don't have to.. but don't tell them he doesn't exist!  It's not her place to do so, at least I don't think so.

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12-10-2012 at 1:08 PM
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nlscroggins:

 IMO, the teacher in that story could have just chosen to not bring santa/religion into her classroom, and she didnt have to do what she did. that is so not fair to those innocent children... every child deserves to experience the hope and wonder and "magic" of christmas :(

along these same lines, allegedly, there was a christmas parade in my home state recently, and a group of people were attempting to ride on a float in that parade for the sole purpose to shout out to children about how santa doesnt exist and how their parents are going to hell for lying to them. i'm not sure if this group was stopped or got to participate, but either way it breaks my heart. 

That sucks. What is wrong with people??? 

12-10-2012 at 1:10 PM
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Personally I would go ballistic. She doesn't have to discuss Santa at all but it is definitely not her place to tell them he doesn't exist. 

Now if she was a high school teacher that would be different ;) 


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12-10-2012 at 1:11 PM
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If the teacher wants her own kids to know Santa is fake, that's on her. But don't ruin it for other peoples' children.


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12-10-2012 at 1:17 PM
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The nice thing about public school is that, depending on where you live, there is a greater chance to be exposed to different cultures, beliefs, and religions. This is a great learning opportunity for the kids.

For a teacher to destroy the beleif of Santa like that for so many children is wrong. They'll find out at some point but when the time is right. Not having a dream shattered by an authority figure they trust.

I would be livid if this happened to my 5 year old.
12-10-2012 at 1:19 PM
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I'm torn about the whole Santa thing for my own future children because when I figured out he wasn't real in first grade it was super traumatizing for me!  

That being said, it is NOT a teacher's place to say anything one way or the other about Santa or any other belief.  I mean, would she tell children of a different religion from her own that those beliefs aren't real?

Keeping myth or religion out of conversation at school is different from a teacher debunking it for a group of 5 year olds. 



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12-10-2012 at 1:23 PM
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I think this is completely unacceptable. If she doesn't believe that children should believe in Santa she should not address it all. That is not her place, what if the child had drawn a picture of Jesus under the real category would it be her place to explain to the class that he doesn't exist or vice versa. Santa is every parents choice to whether they want to encourage belief or not. A teacher should not be making that decision.
 
12-10-2012 at 1:24 PM
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That is so sad. I would be pretty upset if my children found out from another source besides myself or DH. In the district I work for we aren't even supposed to be talking about santa, Christmas, etc. She definitely should have kept her mouth shut. Sad

12-10-2012 at 1:33 PM
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I think it is such a shame. In this day and age kids want to grow up soooo fast and be a teenager. They believe in magical things for such a short time...why would you rob them of that! I love watching DDs face when she sees santa or her elf on the shelf that we hide every night. There is this wonder and excitment in her face that is amazing. She will only believe these things for such a short period of time and then it is gone forever why rush that...why rob kids of thinking that anything is possible! Life is hard enough let them believe in the impossible for as long as you can!
12-10-2012 at 2:54 PM
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That is awful.  What gives people the right to destroy a part of childhood that is still so innocent and pure?  That is just awful.  It is up to the parents whether or not they want their child to believe in Santa and NOT the teacher's place.
12-10-2012 at 3:22 PM
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eyris:

I'm torn about the whole Santa thing for my own future children because when I figured out he wasn't real in first grade it was super traumatizing for me!  

That being said, it is NOT a teacher's place to say anything one way or the other about Santa or any other belief.  I mean, would she tell children of a different religion from her own that those beliefs aren't real?

Keeping myth or religion out of conversation at school is different from a teacher debunking it for a group of 5 year olds. 

I'm torn too, but because I can't imagine lying to my child even about something as happy as Santa!

DH has told me that we will wait & see. He thinks I'll feel differently once we actually have children.

12-10-2012 at 3:53 PM
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I'd be so upset if my child's teacher ruined Santa for them. Not only did she take away the magic of Santa for the kids, but she took away that time for the parents! Every child deserves to experience the magic of Christmas....including Santa. Every parent deserves to experience seeing their children experience it.

If she doesn't want religion or Santa in her classroom she should've just left it alone.

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12-10-2012 at 4:33 PM
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While I strongly disagree with that teacher's decision to tell 5 year-olds Santa is fake, I do think it's naive to say she should have not mentioned Santa at all.

It would be nice not to have to discuss Santa with my first graders, but the reality is that this time of year they ask me about it constantly. Not talking about Santa is really not an option when Santa visits our school for photos (a fundraiser) and to give presents of books to all the kids (a yearly gift from outside donors).

That said, I address the Santa issue the same way I talk about God when my students bring it up. I tell them that some people believe things that other people don't. I tell them that each person can choose what they believe and we should all respect others who believe something different.

When I'm asked really specific questions, such as, "Is Santa real?" or, "Is that the real Santa?" (both of which were asked last week), I just smile and give a vague answer like, "What do you think?" Then I change the topic quickly.




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12-10-2012 at 7:17 PM
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raeyn:
While I strongly disagree with that teacher's decision to tell 5 yearolds Santa is fake, I do think it's naive to say she should have not mentioned Santa at all.It would be nice not to have to discuss Santa with my first graders, but the reality is that this time of year they ask me about it constantly. Not talking about Santa is really not an option when Santa visits our school for photos a fundraiser and to give presents of books to all the kids a yearly gift from outside donors.That said, I address the Santa issue the same way I talk about God when my students bring it up. I tell them that some people believe things that other people don't. I tell them that each person can choose what they believe and we should all respect others who believe something different.When I'm asked really specific questions, such as, "Is Santa real?" or, "Is that the real Santa?" both of which were asked last week, I just smile and give a vague answer like, "What do you think?" Then I change the topic quickly.

This is the perfect way to go about religion, myths, etc. I applauded you. If only that teacher had your tact.
12-10-2012 at 7:24 PM
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I would be outraged.  That was not her decision to make.  They are children!! Let them enjoy this imaginative part of their lives.  They will grow up soon enough.

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12-10-2012 at 8:06 PM
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One of my girlfriend's was recently in the position of upset parent when her son's teacher told him his elf on the shelf wasn't real. I always felt as a teacher there was an unspoken rule that things of that nature were best left to parents to make the decision.

As a side note, I never grew up believing in Santa delivering presents. However, I did believe Santa represented the wonder and magic of the season. My mom used to send me to bed so Santa could come (the presents were under the tree already) and signed from Santa on the tags. I remember later having a conversation with her about that. Mom said she saw no harm in believing in someone who gave to others without asking anything in return.





 
12-10-2012 at 8:23 PM
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I would be livid too. Santa is not necessarily a religious figure and he has his place in a child's life for so many reasons.  Its hard enough to believe in magic and see the world with wonder. That shouldn't be taken away from any kid especially not ones that young.


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