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12-12-2012 at 9:23 AM
dwraalstad
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TTC 14 months

Hello Ladies!

My name is Danielle and my dh and I have been TTC for 14 months now. We have a 2 year old daughter. We got pregnant with her after only one month of trying so it has been really hard to understand why things just aren't happening that fast this time around.

Just a few months ago I went to a fertility specialist and did my first round of clomid last month. This month we upped the dosage of clomid and also went on metformin. They think I may have pcos but the only sign of having it is the string of pearls that show up on the ultrasound. I have no other symptoms which seems a bit odd to me :/

I need somewhere I can talk about everything and just hear other opinions or get some support. My dh is really the only one I have to turn to and he is amazing for always listening to me rant. 

Thanks for taking the time to listen and I hope to get some help or support from you ladies. 


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12-12-2012 at 9:26 AM
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Have you had an HSG and your DH a SA? Were you also monitored while taking the Clomid? If so, what was your response to it? May I also suggest checking out the secondary infertility board as well. The women there are going through what you are. Good luck!

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12-12-2012 at 9:27 AM
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Welcome to the board!  Sorry you're having such a hard time.  FX you get your sticky baby soon!

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12-12-2012 at 9:29 AM
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katyj25:
Have you had an HSG and your DH a SA? Were you also monitored while taking the Clomid? If so, what was your response to it? May I also suggest checking out the secondary infertility board as well. The women there are going through what you are. Good luck!

ALL of this! You need proper testing before starting clomid and you need to be monitored WHILE you are on it!


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Me: 29, had two blocked tubes - left was cleared during lap&dye, right was unable to be cleared. PCOS & Stage 2 Endo. DH: 31, SA = perfect.
CLOMID: 4 rounds, 50mg + TI = BFN's.
FEMARA: 1 round = no response.
12-24-2012 : Laparoscopy, Softball sized cyst/endo/scar tissue removed.
Cycle #14 - Feb 2013 : 50mg clomid. Ovidrel Trigger. IUI on 2/14/13 = thin lining, multiple cysts.
Cycle #15 - no meds, still have cysts, no follicles. Boo!
Forced break. Continuous BCP for 6 weeks to give my jacked up ovaries a break.
Cycle #16 actively trying: May/June plan: Femara, Ovidrel Trigger, IUI! Bring iiiiit!

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12-12-2012 at 9:31 AM
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I'm sorry you're having trouble. What testing have you had? Is the fertility specialist an RE or an OBGYN? There is lots of good information on this board and I agree checking out the Secondary Infertility would also be a good idea. Welcome and good luck!

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Dx: PCOS & mild hypothyroidism (me) & MFI
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12-12-2012 at 9:32 AM
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Have you had CD3 bloodwork to confirm PCOS? There are a lot of women on this board and 3T who have PCOS, so feel free to ask if you have any questions.

Good Luck!



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12-12-2012 at 9:34 AM
dwraalstad
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No I am not monitored while I am on clomid. What do they do? I get an ultrasound right before I go on it and then that's it.  I haven't had any issues with either meds.I am temp charting and also using a fertility monitor.

What is HSG? Could I ask the the doctor to do that? Or do they have to wait until it's been a certain amount of time?

Thanks ladies :) Where can I find the secondary infertility board? Sorry I am new to all of this. Usually I just read and never actually post anything but it was time because I need to just talk about everything. 

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12-12-2012 at 9:38 AM
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dwraalstad:
No I am not monitored while I am on clomid. What do they do? I get an ultrasound right before I go on it and then that's it.  I haven't had any issues with either meds.I am temp charting and also using a fertility monitor.

What is HSG? Could I ask the the doctor to do that? Or do they have to wait until it's been a certain amount of time?

Thanks ladies :) Where can I find the secondary infertility board? Sorry I am new to all of this. Usually I just read and never actually post anything but it was time because I need to just talk about everything. 

An HSG will check to make sure your tubes are clear... if not, all the Clomid in world won't get you pregnant. DH needs an SA to make sure there is nothing wrong with his sperm... another reason clomid would not work. These should be done prior to starting clomid. Have you had CD3 blood work? You also need a midcycle u/s to see if you are responding to Clomid and/or developing cysts.


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Me: 29, had two blocked tubes - left was cleared during lap&dye, right was unable to be cleared. PCOS & Stage 2 Endo. DH: 31, SA = perfect.
CLOMID: 4 rounds, 50mg + TI = BFN's.
FEMARA: 1 round = no response.
12-24-2012 : Laparoscopy, Softball sized cyst/endo/scar tissue removed.
Cycle #14 - Feb 2013 : 50mg clomid. Ovidrel Trigger. IUI on 2/14/13 = thin lining, multiple cysts.
Cycle #15 - no meds, still have cysts, no follicles. Boo!
Forced break. Continuous BCP for 6 weeks to give my jacked up ovaries a break.
Cycle #16 actively trying: May/June plan: Femara, Ovidrel Trigger, IUI! Bring iiiiit!

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12-12-2012 at 9:41 AM
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I see and RE and no I don't get any bloodwork done. I don't know any information about secondary infertility so I have just been following what she says and don't ever question it. But now that I am getting more information from you ladies I may have many questions if I have to go in again this month. 

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12-12-2012 at 9:43 AM
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dwraalstad:
I see and RE and no I don't get any bloodwork done. I don't know any information about secondary infertility so I have just been following what she says and don't ever question it. But now that I am getting more information from you ladies I may have many questions if I have to go in again this month. 

If your RE didn't do an HSG or SA before starting clomid... you really should look into a new doctor. They are important tests. Plus, you aren't being monitored properly if you aren't having mid-cycle ultrasound.

 

ETA Upping the clomid dose without a midcycle ultra sound is dangerous. Yoiu CAN end up with too many follicles. You may have had a great response to the lower dose. Put priority should be getting labs, HSG and an SA done. Good luck!


TTC#2 Since July 2011
Me: 29, had two blocked tubes - left was cleared during lap&dye, right was unable to be cleared. PCOS & Stage 2 Endo. DH: 31, SA = perfect.
CLOMID: 4 rounds, 50mg + TI = BFN's.
FEMARA: 1 round = no response.
12-24-2012 : Laparoscopy, Softball sized cyst/endo/scar tissue removed.
Cycle #14 - Feb 2013 : 50mg clomid. Ovidrel Trigger. IUI on 2/14/13 = thin lining, multiple cysts.
Cycle #15 - no meds, still have cysts, no follicles. Boo!
Forced break. Continuous BCP for 6 weeks to give my jacked up ovaries a break.
Cycle #16 actively trying: May/June plan: Femara, Ovidrel Trigger, IUI! Bring iiiiit!

MY BLOG -- About DD, TTC and everything in between.

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12-12-2012 at 9:44 AM
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DH did get checked. That was the first thing we did, should have mentioned that. Sorry!  He is int he clear good numbers and motility. 



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12-12-2012 at 9:55 AM
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Unless you have insulin resistance, the met is not going to help you. I have microcysts as well but I most certainly do not have PCOS.

Based off that and everything else you have said, you need a new doctor. Yours doesn't know what they are doing.

 



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12-12-2012 at 9:59 AM
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I agree with previous posters. I really think you should consider getting a new RE. Your current RE is not giving you the standard fertility work-ups and monitoring, which can be seriously dangerous.

I would find an RE that works with your insurance and make sure that they will give you an HSG (it shows whether or not your tubes are blocked) and also the requisite bloodwork and monitoring while on Clomid.

Another really important reason you want this testing done is because there is a lifetime limit of 6 cycles on Clomid. At this time, you could be taking Clomid for no reason because your tubes are blocked. In addition, it can seriously thin your lining, which is dangerous (which is also why you need to be monitored).

The Secondary Infertility (IF) board can be found by looking at the list of boards to the left on your screen. They are in alphabetical order, so it should be easy to find.

I hope you find a better doctor, and welcome!  



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12-12-2012 at 10:02 AM
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Yeah I really don't think I have pcos either since I show no symptoms. Well I will be for sure asking a ton of questions the next time I go in and see what she says. 

I will have to start researching some new doctors. Not sure where to look, I just went to the hospital that I had my daughter and was directed to this office. I may need to ask around see if anyone knows any other docotors.

Thanks ladies for all your help. Makes me a little frustrated because it feels like if they aren't monitoring and doing all that other stuff, what we are doing right nowmay be for nothing :(

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12-12-2012 at 10:18 AM
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Are you sure your seeing an RE and not an OB that specializes in infertility?
I just cannot imagine an RE not monitoring at all on Clomid.



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12-12-2012 at 10:36 AM
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I agree with all the info everyone else is giving you.  I've heard some really scary stories of women that were not monitored while on clomid.

Good luck with everything, I hope you can get some real help!


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12-12-2012 at 10:43 AM
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dwraalstad:
Yeah I really don't think I have pcos either since I show no symptoms. Well I will be for sure asking a ton of questions the next time I go in and see what she says. 

I will have to start researching some new doctors. Not sure where to look, I just went to the hospital that I had my daughter and was directed to this office. I may need to ask around see if anyone knows any other docotors.

Thanks ladies for all your help. Makes me a little frustrated because it feels like if they aren't monitoring and doing all that other stuff, what we are doing right nowmay be for nothing :(

The 3T forum has a link at the top of the page which has helpful information. GL


*** TTC since 10/2010 (no planned bc since 2007) Me (31) Sept 2012 - DX Luteal Phase Defect. HSG 8/2012: both tubes are open, cervix and lining look good; hypothyroidism; DH (35) SA Normal Clomid 50mg, trigger
10/2012 BFFN 1st cycle on clomid 50mg w/trigger shot, progesterone level 19.7, cd28 - hcg level 0.
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12-12-2012 at 11:13 AM
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so what is the typical procedure with clomid? What are all the things that should be done while on it?



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12-12-2012 at 11:27 AM
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dwraalstad:
so what is the typical procedure with clomid? What are all the things that should be done while on it?


 Taken from Trouble TTC page - new here link

Clomid
Clomid blocks the effects of estrogen in the brain (specifically at the pituitary), which leads to increased levels of two hormones: LH and FSH. Higher LH and FSH stimulate follicle development in the ovary.
There are several types of patients who are prescribed Clomid:
1. Anovulatory cycles (typically PCOS)
2. Luteal phase defect
3. Unexplained infertility
Before starting Clomid, you should have a full work-up for infertility to ensure Clomid is the appropriate medication. You should discuss this work up with your physician, but it will typically include:
1. Semen analysis to make sure there aren’t any problems there. (What good is ovulation induction if there’s a sperm problem?)
2. HSG, especially if over age 35 to avoid using ineffective treatment when fertility is in decline
3. Day 3 labs, especially FSH since Clomid is less effective in women with high FSH
Your doctor may want to run other tests as well. Once it has been determined that Clomid is an appropriate treatment, it is typically started at a dose of 50 mg per day for 5 days (usually days 3-7 or 5-9). If ovulation is not achieved on this dose, it can be increased to 100 mg, then 150 mg. Your doctor may choose to use different doses depending on your particular case of IF.

Your LH surge will typically occur 5 days after the last dose of Clomid. Depending on your treatment plan, you will want to start using OPK’s 5 days after the last pill. Clomid can cause a false positive OPK if you check too soon, since Clomid artificially increases LH levels, which is what OPK’s measure. Most doctors don’t recommend using Clomid for more than 6 cycles.

Most of us are monitored with our RE’s when on Clomid. This means we get baseline ultrasounds to ensure there are no cysts (you don’t want to stimulate the ovary if you have cysts) and we get mid cycle ultrasounds to monitor response. Not all doctors do ultrasound monitoring because you can often determine whether you are ovulating with a 7 day post-ovulation blood progesterone level, and the risks of Clomid are low. However, the risks are real and it is important that you know what they are. Your physician may be comfortable not doing monitoring, but you need to be comfortable with this decision as well.

The mid-cycle ultrasound is probably the most important. It can tell you some very important information. First, it will determine whether you are responding to the Clomid. If there are no follicles, your doctor can adjust your treatment plan appropriately, and you don’t waste time taking a medication that doesn’t work for you. Second, it can determine if you are responding *too* well to the Clomid. The risk of multiples is higher with Clomid, and while most of that risk is for twins (7-9%), the risks of triplets (1 in 200 pregnancies), quads (1 in 300), and quintuplets (1 in 800) are also increased. If you don’t know how many follies you have, you can’t know your risk of multiples.

Rarely, people will have more serious side effects. While these are very rare, they do happen and you should know this when you agree to take Clomid without ultrasound monitoring.
If you read the information sheet that comes with the prescription, you will find that all of those side effects have been experienced by someone on this board. Most common is hot flashes and night sweats. Other common complaints are bloating, mood swings and headaches. Some people find the side effects are easier to tolerate if they take Clomid at night. Some people don’t notice any side effects from the Clomid.
In addition to the common side effects, Clomid can thin the endometrial lining, making it difficult (if not impossible) for implantation and pregnancy to occur. Mid-cycle ultrasound monitoring will show whether your lining is being affected by the Clomid, and your doctor can change your treatment plan accordingly. You also have higher risk for multiples, but mid-cycle ultrasound can show if there are more than 3 follicles, and you can discuss with your physician whether you are comfortable moving forward in that situation.
For every 100 women treated with Clomid, 70 will ovulate and about 25 will have a successful pregnancy. The efficacy will depend on your diagnosis.


*** TTC since 10/2010 (no planned bc since 2007) Me (31) Sept 2012 - DX Luteal Phase Defect. HSG 8/2012: both tubes are open, cervix and lining look good; hypothyroidism; DH (35) SA Normal Clomid 50mg, trigger
10/2012 BFFN 1st cycle on clomid 50mg w/trigger shot, progesterone level 19.7, cd28 - hcg level 0.
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OB/GYN=expertise in pregnancy/labor; RE=expertise in getting pregnant. (read this on someone's post, feel free to PM me to give you credit) I'm so glad I have a RE on my team. Consult a RE after 1 year under 35yo; 6 months 35yo+  
12-12-2012 at 12:15 PM
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katyj25:
Have you had an HSG and your DH a SA? Were you also monitored while taking the Clomid? If so, what was your response to it? May I also suggest checking out the secondary infertility board as well. The women there are going through what you are. Good luck!

This.  If your only potential symptom for PCOS is a "string of pearls" ultrasound, you need to rule out other issues, like adrenal hyperplasia.  Get your doc to run a DHEA-S test to see if your levels are high.  DHEA-S only comes from your adrenal glands, but can cause elevated androgens (male hormones like testosterone) which can cause polycystic ovaries.  But adrenal hyperplasia is not PCOS, and is treated very differently.  You especially need to rule this out if you don't have insulin resistance.  GL.


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HSG = all clear; All tests normal except high DHEA-s and borderline SA
July 2012: 100 mg Clomid = BFN | August 2012: 100 mg Clomid = BFN
Sept/Oct/Nov 2012: failed to ovulate on my own - 73 day cycle!
12/06/12: Longest cycle ever ended by Provera | 12/13/12: Sono HSG - all clear!
Dec 2012/Jan 2013: 100 mg Clomid + trigger (Pregnyl) + TI = BFN (IUI #1 canceled due to thin lining)
Jan/Feb: 5 mg Femara + Pregnyl + IUI#1.2 = BFFN
Feb/Mar: 5 mg Femara + 25 mg Clomid + Pregnyl + TI = BFFFFN (IUI #2 canceled due to thin lining)
Mar/Apr: natural cycle (I actually ovulated!) = BFN
May: natural cycle = ?
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12-12-2012 at 8:53 PM
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Welcome.  Lots of luck to you.  These ladies offered you great advise.  

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12-13-2012 at 6:35 AM
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Welcome to the board!  Good luck to you!

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