Doesn't VA have a "no guns within 1000 feet of a school" law?  I guess it only applies to public K-12 schools?

Wow.  Um.  Wow.  Seriously, are they trained in SWAT techniques?  Because I'm pretty sure there's a greater chance of one of them shooting a kid over an armed adult trying to do something crazy.

WTF? Do they have permits at least? Know how to use them properly? Probably not considering they are around children and not safely locked away.

DH and I were discussing this today. What security measures should our school put in place? I told him that was a good discussion to have. I'd certainly like them to revisit their procedures. But, really, when it comes down to it, this kind of thing happens rarely. And crazy people will be crazy people no matter what.

Either way, no guns around my baby.

flip_flops:

Wow.nbsp; Um.nbsp; Wow.nbsp; Seriously, are they trained in SWAT techniques?nbsp; Because I'm pretty sure there's a greater chance of one of them shooting a kid over an armed adult trying to do something crazy.

flip_flops:

Doesn't VA have a "no guns within 1000 feet of a school" law?nbsp; I guess it only applies to public K12 schools?Wow.nbsp; Um.nbsp; Wow.nbsp; Seriously, are they trained in SWAT techniques?nbsp; Because I'm pretty sure there's a greater chance of one of them shooting a kid over an armed adult trying to do something crazy.

I feel like having a handgun in your purse is soooooooo much more dangerous than having it on your  body even, which is what everyone I know that has a concealed weapon's permit does.  I mean, yeah, it can still be taken away from you but a kid getting into a purse looking for candy is much more likely than grabbing a gun hidden on your body.

W.T.F.

I really have nothing else to say other than that.

It's totally illegal to bring a gun to preschool.  That bothers me more than the park, but the purse bit is insane.

§ 18.2-308.1. Possession of firearm, stun weapon, or other weapon on school property prohibited. 

B. If any person possesses any firearm designed or intended to expel a projectile by action of an explosion of a combustible material while such person is upon (i) any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds; (ii) that portion of any property open to the public and then exclusively used for school-sponsored functions or extracurricular activities while such functions or activities are taking place; or (iii) any school bus owned or operated by any such school, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. 

You may want to tell these moms they are committing a felony before someone else finds out and calls the police. 

ETA:  Oh wait nevermind, preschool is not mentioned.  Interesting.

I've read this post about 5 times now and it still baffles me.  A loaded gun in a purse with kids around?  That doesn't dangerous at all.

I totally agree with flip_flops in letting the moms know they are comitting a felony.  They probably don't care though.

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

I know that DH would have to take a class for a concealed carry permit.  I assume that comes with a test too.  You don't need a concealed carry permit to purchase a gun, just a background check.

I have shot a gun before.  It's not just 2 year olds in our moms group.  The oldest kid is a homeschooled 12 year old.  I'm fairly certain DS could figure out how to do it.

I had a friend that shot and killed himself by accident when I was in 5th grade.  We were 10.  He had been taught gun safety his entire life but it still happened.  I don't want loaded weapons anywhere near my children, and if a person thinks they need to carry to a freaking playground, they have issues that I don't want to have to deal with anyway.

Yes, the diaper bag sits on a bench unattended. 

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

The process is similar in Texas.  Much harder to obtain a CHL than to obtain a gun.  Still...having a loaded weapon around lots of little kids and in a school setting seems incredibly dangerous to me.  I'd be very, very uncomfortable with that situation.

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

Yeah.....in VA you just have to prove you kind of know what you're maybe doing with a gun.  There's no course, no fingerprinting, no background check, nothing like what you've described.    You can basically say "Hey, I was a member of a hunt club once and would now like a permit to carry a concealed handgun (even though I've never shot it before)" and the judge says ok.  I think you might have to show some kind of hunt club certificate, but it can be years expired.

I could probably walk up to a judge and announce that I at one point was a sworn law enforcement official charged with protecting the Commonwealth's marine resources and he would approve me for a permit. 

ETA:  State Police website says nothing about a background check, but you either do have to get one statewide or it could vary by locality.  I'm not sure. 

flip_flops:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

Yeah.....in VA you just have to prove you kind of know what you're maybe doing with a gun.  There's no course, no fingerprinting, no background check, nothing like what you've described.    You can basically say "Hey, I was a member of a hunt club once and would now like a permit to carry a concealed handgun (even though I've never shot it before)" and the judge says ok.  I think you might have to show some kind of hunt club certificate, but it can be years expired.

I could probably walk up to a judge and announce that I at one point was a sworn law enforcement official charged with protecting the Commonwealth's marine resources and he would approve me for a permit. 

That is terrifying.

flip_flops:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

Yeah.....in VA you just have to prove you kind of know what you're maybe doing with a gun.  There's no course, no fingerprinting, no background check, nothing like what you've described.    You can basically say "Hey, I was a member of a hunt club once and would now like a permit to carry a concealed handgun (even though I've never shot it before)" and the judge says ok.  I think you might have to show some kind of hunt club certificate, but it can be years expired.

I could probably walk up to a judge and announce that I at one point was a sworn law enforcement official charged with protecting the Commonwealth's marine resources and he would approve me for a permit. 

Really?  I wonder what DH is talking about when he told me he had to take a class to get one if he ever decided to do it... 

abs1978:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

The process is similar in Texas.  Much harder to obtain a CHL than to obtain a gun.  Still...having a loaded weapon around lots of little kids and in a school setting seems incredibly dangerous to me.  I'd be very, very uncomfortable with that situation.

I would imagine, in Texas, you are surrounded by people carrying their loaded weapons ALL the time. You just don't know it. There is nothing scary about it and you'll be really, really thankful if, heaven forbid, something ever happened around you and one of those people was nearby to intervene.

AgrippaRidesAgain:

flip_flops:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

Yeah.....in VA you just have to prove you kind of know what you're maybe doing with a gun.  There's no course, no fingerprinting, no background check, nothing like what you've described.    You can basically say "Hey, I was a member of a hunt club once and would now like a permit to carry a concealed handgun (even though I've never shot it before)" and the judge says ok.  I think you might have to show some kind of hunt club certificate, but it can be years expired.

I could probably walk up to a judge and announce that I at one point was a sworn law enforcement official charged with protecting the Commonwealth's marine resources and he would approve me for a permit. 

Really?  I wonder what DH is talking about when he told me he had to take a class to get one if he ever decided to do it... 

I believe the course is something like an online video he could watch at home.

Oops, repeat of previous post.

Here, read this.  It's totally comforting.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/03/gun-permits-virginia-online-classes_n_1852244.html  

HairStylinWifey:

abs1978:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

The process is similar in Texas.  Much harder to obtain a CHL than to obtain a gun.  Still...having a loaded weapon around lots of little kids and in a school setting seems incredibly dangerous to me.  I'd be very, very uncomfortable with that situation.

I would imagine, in Texas, you are surrounded by people carrying their loaded weapons ALL the time. You just don't know it. There is nothing scary about it and you'll be really, really thankful if, heaven forbid, something ever happened around you and one of those people was nearby to intervene.

Oh, I am sure you are right.  DH owns a gun.  I'm not competely anti-gun.  They terrify me personally, but I know you are 100% correct in that I am surrounded by them.  I don't like the idea of it, but if you are responsible with them that is fine.  I know that you have to take a class and go through a long process to get your CHL.  Leaving a loaded a gun in diaper bag however really seems like a terrible idea.  That is the part of Agrippa's post that I am really struggling with the most!

AgrippaRidesAgain:

flip_flops:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

Yeah.....in VA you just have to prove you kind of know what you're maybe doing with a gun.  There's no course, no fingerprinting, no background check, nothing like what you've described.    You can basically say "Hey, I was a member of a hunt club once and would now like a permit to carry a concealed handgun (even though I've never shot it before)" and the judge says ok.  I think you might have to show some kind of hunt club certificate, but it can be years expired.

I could probably walk up to a judge and announce that I at one point was a sworn law enforcement official charged with protecting the Commonwealth's marine resources and he would approve me for a permit. 

Really?  I wonder what DH is talking about when he told me he had to take a class to get one if he ever decided to do it... 

From the Virginia State Police website:

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm

abs1978:

HairStylinWifey:

abs1978:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

The process is similar in Texas.  Much harder to obtain a CHL than to obtain a gun.  Still...having a loaded weapon around lots of little kids and in a school setting seems incredibly dangerous to me.  I'd be very, very uncomfortable with that situation.

I would imagine, in Texas, you are surrounded by people carrying their loaded weapons ALL the time. You just don't know it. There is nothing scary about it and you'll be really, really thankful if, heaven forbid, something ever happened around you and one of those people was nearby to intervene.

Oh, I am sure you are right.  DH owns a gun.  I'm not competely anti-gun.  They terrify me personally, but I know you are 100% correct in that I am surrounded by them.  I don't like the idea of it, but if you are responsible with them that is fine.  I know that you have to take a class and go through a long process to get your CHL.  Leaving a loaded a gun in diaper bag however really seems like a terrible idea.  That is the part of Agrippa's post that I am really struggling with the most!

Yes, I do agree with you. If you are going to carry your gun you need to keep it on your person. I definitely agree.

Does your DH ever go to a shooting range? You should go with him sometime and learn how guns work. I used to be really scared of them too until I educated myself on them more. Obviously, they are powerful and need to be treated very carefully, but once you realize they dont just shoot all by themselves. It requires someone to pull the trigger, when you learn the in's and out's of them a bit more, it really removes a lot of the fear from them. At least, that was my experience.

starlettedir:

HSWyou said *** 'snickers like jr high boy'

Lol!

HairStylinWifey:

abs1978:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

The process is similar in Texas.  Much harder to obtain a CHL than to obtain a gun.  Still...having a loaded weapon around lots of little kids and in a school setting seems incredibly dangerous to me.  I'd be very, very uncomfortable with that situation.

I would imagine, in Texas, you are surrounded by people carrying their loaded weapons ALL the time. You just don't know it. There is nothing scary about it and you'll be really, really thankful if, heaven forbid, something ever happened around you and one of those people was nearby to intervene.

starlettedir:

HairStylinWifey:

abs1978:

HairStylinWifey:

So, do none of you think any person should ever be carrying a gun for protection?

Obviously, I don't know these women so I don't know what they are like or how they handle themselves. I also know that every state has different conceal & carry laws and I don't know Virginia's.

But, in Missouri(where I would say the conceal/carry laws are very lax) you have to take a multiple days course where you learn all the laws, statistics, and information about guns. Then you have to pass a test. Then you go to a shooting range and you have to pass a test. There is a certified instructor who grades you and says you can pass. THEN you have to go to the police station and have a background check, finger prints, etc. before you can finally buy and receive your ccw.

Have any of you ever shot a gun before?  They don't just go shooting off willy nilly. Depending on the type of gun, but more than likely, you will have to release the safety, *** the gun, and then pull the trigger. All things that are challenging even for me to do. You have to learn how to. Not something that a 2 year old will be capable of.

That being said, I sure hope they aren't just leaving their purses laying around? Because that makes no sense. But, if they are stowed within their purse and they have their ccw's. By all means, more power to them. Good for them.

The process is similar in Texas.  Much harder to obtain a CHL than to obtain a gun.  Still...having a loaded weapon around lots of little kids and in a school setting seems incredibly dangerous to me.  I'd be very, very uncomfortable with that situation.

I would imagine, in Texas, you are surrounded by people carrying their loaded weapons ALL the time. You just don't know it. There is nothing scary about it and you'll be really, really thankful if, heaven forbid, something ever happened around you and one of those people was nearby to intervene.

fabulous Gigi wants a gun. Pearl handled.

I like her more every day.

She sews! She shoots! She does magic tricks! Er...wait...