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12-22-2012 at 9:21 PM
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S/O "Natural Birth"

This might be an UO, but I feel the need to post: I can't stand the term "natural birth"--I feel like it's really politicized term (like pro-choice or pro-life). It just makes it seem like if you got pain meds or had a c-section your birth was unnatural and therefore wrong.

It just rubs me the wrong way, which is why I tend to use the term "med-free." 

ETA: Just realized that in the Natural Birth thread I used the term "natural birth." Guess I'm a big old hypocrite. 


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12-22-2012 at 9:59 PM
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I understand this. 

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12-22-2012 at 10:05 PM
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I agree. In my mind, a "natural birth" is a vaginal birth, regardless of if you received pain meds or not, because you pushed baby out as the body is designed to do "naturally". I much prefer "med free" for those births that were devoid of medication. Maybe it's because around here, when people ask how you had your baby [and they all do, strangely enough] the question is "did you have her naturally, or did you have a csection?"

Eta: this sounds insensitive and judgy towards those who had to have a section. I hope you all know I don't mean it like that. I don't really care how you have your babies as long as you're both healthy at the end of it. Sometimes, that means a csection is necessary, and I'm so very glad that they're available for those of you and your beautiful babies who needed them.

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12-22-2012 at 10:14 PM
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I agree, you will see in my post I always use the term "med- free".  

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12-22-2012 at 10:41 PM
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I agree. It doesn't really bother me much though.

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12-22-2012 at 11:02 PM
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I totally agree with Bears. Also, another "UO" is that it irritates me everytime I see one of those posts that goes on and on about "your body was made to birth a child" and "your body won't grow a child that you can't birth vaginally," etc.

In early days in America (1700s and 1800s), 1 out of 8 mothers died in childbirth. Just think about that. 1 out of 8! Women were so likely to die in childbirth that they were scared their entire pregnancy of the inevitable birthing experience. In their letters to friends/family, colonial women often referred to childbirth as "the Dreaded apperation," "the greatest of earthly miserys," or "that evel hour I loock forward to with dread." It wasn't some earth mother, incredibly close to God, perfect experience that people seem to want today with their elaborate birth plans, candles, birthing tubs with fragrances, etc.  Even though every birth was, by definition, a home birth attended by a midwife, a lot of moms and babies died due to being breach, having heads that simply wouldn't fit out, poor hygeine, massive blood loss, preeclampsia, etc. 

We can talk all day about the "overmedicalization of the birthing process" all we want, but I was so grateful to be living in a time when I could give birth in a hospital with a NICU just down the hall, with a doppler monitor keeping a careful eye on my sweet little girl, blood pressure cuff ensuring that I wasn't suddenly about to stroke out, air conditioning and ice to suck on, etc.  We have it so good these days--and I just don't understand the incredible hate on the medical profession surrounding the birthing process.  Yes, some babies are birthed through c/s that could have been pushed out vaginally.  And yes, there are some consequences to that. 

But holy cow, if you read the number of lawsuits filed every day, you would see that ob/gyns have pretty much the suckiest profession in the world.  They truly are damned if they do, damned if they don't.  If a kid is hurt in the birthing process, their parents will pretty much ALWAYS sue.  Shoulder distocias pretty much guarantee a huge black mark against an Ob/gyns career.  So, if they see that the baby appears to be measuring pretty big, and they are concerned about distocia, why would they not start talking about c/s?  Their entire livelihood (and their family's financial stablility) is centered around getting babies out healthy and moms through the process healthy.  A malpractice case could jeopardize everything they have worked so hard for over the past 10-15 years.  Yes, doctors in Canada and in the UK, etc. are less likely to push for c/s--they have a legal system that doesn't allow the kinds of obscene tort recoveries that the American system so regularly sees.  Our legal system is broken.  And until it is fixed, doctors will have to continue to protect themselves and their families by trying to maximize their patients' likelihood of healthy procedures--even if that means that the occassional unnecessary c/s happens. 

Sorry--this got long. I am just so sick of the rampant doctor/hospital hate on these boards.   I have way more than 8 friends/family members who have given birth since I was born and I don't personally know a single woman who has died in childbirth.  I know plenty who have come close, and were saved by heroic actions of their medical team.   So, if any nurses or docs are reading this--I am so grateful for your service, and I don't know how you put up with reading the kind of stuff on here without suffering rage blackouts!

 
12-22-2012 at 11:51 PM
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Sooner- I know 2 women who have died during childbirth... both of whom did not receive any prenatal care.  Doctors are there for a reason, it is sad when people think they don't need one.

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12-23-2012 at 9:04 AM
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Yes to Sooner. I completely agree.

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12-23-2012 at 10:01 AM
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sooner1981:


I totally agree with Bears. Also, another
"UO" is that it irritates me everytime I see one of those posts that
goes on and on about "your body was made to birth a child" and
"your body won't grow a child that you can't birth vaginally," etc.

In early days in America 1700s and 1800s, 1
out of 8 mothers died in childbirth. Just think about that. 1 out of 8! Women
were so likely to die in childbirth that they were scared their entire
pregnancy of the inevitable birthing experience. In their letters to
friends/family, colonial women often referred to childbirth as "the
Dreaded apperation," "the greatest of earthly miserys," or
"that evel hour I loock forward to with dread." It wasn't some earth
mother, incredibly close to God, perfect experience that people seem to want
today with their elaborate birth plans, candles, birthing tubs with fragrances,
etc.nbsp; Even though every birth was, by definition, a home birth attended by a midwife, a lot of moms and babies died due to being breach, having heads that simply wouldn't fit out, poor hygeine, massive blood loss, preeclampsia, etc.nbsp;We can talk all day about the "overmedicalization of the birthing process" all we want, but I was so grateful to be living in a time when I could give birth in a hospital with a NICU just down the hall, with a doppler monitor keeping a careful eye on my sweet little girl, blood pressure cuff ensuring that I wasn't suddenly about to stroke out, air conditioning and ice to suck on, etc.nbsp; We have it so good these daysand I just don't understand the incredible hate on the medical profession surrounding the birthing process.nbsp; Yes, some babies are birthed through c/s that could have been pushed out vaginally.nbsp; And yes, there are some consequences to that.nbsp; But holy cow, if you read the number of lawsuits filed every day, you would see that ob/gyns have pretty much the suckiest profession in the world.nbsp; They truly are damned if they do, damned if they don't.nbsp; If a kid is hurt in the birthing process, their parents will pretty much ALWAYS sue.nbsp; Shoulder distocias pretty much guarantee a huge black mark against an Ob/gyns career.nbsp; So, if they see that the baby appears to be measuring pretty big, and they are concerned about distocia, why would they not start talking about c/s?nbsp; Their entire livelihood and their family's financial stablilitynbsp;is centered around getting babies out healthy and moms through the process healthy.nbsp; A malpractice case could jeopardize everything they have worked so hard for over the past 1015 years.nbsp; Yes, doctors in Canada and in the UK, etc. are less likely to push for c/sthey have a legal system that doesn't allow the kinds of obscene tort recoveries that the American system so regularly sees.nbsp; Our legal system is broken.nbsp; And until it is fixed, doctors will have to continue to protect themselves and their families by trying to maximize their patients' likelihood of healthy procedureseven if that means that the occassional unnecessary c/s happens.nbsp; Sorrythis got long. I am just so sick of the rampant doctor/hospital hate on these boards. nbsp; I have way more than 8 friends/family members who have given birth since I was born and I don't personally know a singlenbsp;woman who has died in childbirth.nbsp; I know plenty who have come close, and were saved by heroic actions of their medical team.nbsp;nbsp; So, if any nurses or docs are reading thisI am so grateful for your service, and I don't know how you put up with reading the kind of stuff on here without suffering rage blackouts!

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Thank you Sooner! Very well written and I echo your thoughts exactly!

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12-23-2012 at 10:03 AM
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I don't know that I've ever told the members of this board, but I'm an OBGYN resident. I try not to comment on topics like labor and delivery or GYNissues because I don't think it's appropriate for me to dispense "medical advice" over the internet. Sooner brought up many important points so I won't get into those.
What I will say is that I too often, patients wait until they come into the hospital in labor to relay their desires for delivery. Every OBGYN has different levels of comfort with medical interventions. For example, I'm totally comfortable with patients who want to walk around the room while in labor I personally did, no IV fluids, taking in clear liquids, avoiding pain meds, etc. In fact if you don't have an epidural than I'd rather you avoid IV narcotics. I personally am NOT comfortable with no IV. That's bc of experiences with patients with no IV that went badly. I also strongly prefer a vaginal delivery to a C/D if it's possible. I don't believe in using pitocin to make or break a patient. Some of my favorite deliveries were ones where the mom went med free.
But not all OBs are the same. I went in on a delivery with a private attending whose patient wanted no pain meds. She was doing phenomenal but the idiot attending kept berating her for choosing to go epidural free. I've seen other patients come in who strongly don't want a C/D,but chose the physician with the highest CD rate in the hospital.
My point is just to choose your practitioner wisely to hopefully have the delivery you desire.

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12-23-2012 at 10:09 AM
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lancyjo:
I agree. In my mind, a "natural birth" is a vaginal birth, regardless of if you received pain meds or not, because you pushed baby out as the body is designed to do "naturally". I much prefer "med free" for those births that were devoid of medication. Maybe it's because around here, when people ask how you had your baby [and they all do, strangely enough] the question is "did you have her naturally, or did you have a csection?" Eta: this sounds insensitive and judgy towards those who had to have a section. I hope you all know I don't mean it like that. I don't really care how you have your babies as long as you're both healthy at the end of it. Sometimes, that means a csection is necessary, and I'm so very glad that they're available for those of you and your beautiful babies who needed them.

Lancy, I get what you're saying...and I agree with it.  I just hate using the term "natural" because it makes it seems judgy towards those who have c-section (which, based on your last part is obviously not what you meant). 


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12-23-2012 at 10:35 AM
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I agree with Sooner also. My delivery was a csection for exactly those reasons. My OB was actually an expert witness in a shoulder dystocia law suit and was very anxious to avoid what he thought could be that very likely possibility if Parker was really as big as she was measuring. She wasn't though, but I am happy with my experience even though I didn't get to see her right away because she had aspirated her meconium.

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12-23-2012 at 12:34 PM
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sooner1981:

I totally agree with Bears. Also, another "UO" is that it irritates me everytime I see one of those posts that goes on and on about "your body was made to birth a child" and "your body won't grow a child that you can't birth vaginally," etc.

In early days in America (1700s and 1800s), 1 out of 8 mothers died in childbirth. Just think about that. 1 out of 8! Women were so likely to die in childbirth that they were scared their entire pregnancy of the inevitable birthing experience. In their letters to friends/family, colonial women often referred to childbirth as "the Dreaded apperation," "the greatest of earthly miserys," or "that evel hour I loock forward to with dread." It wasn't some earth mother, incredibly close to God, perfect experience that people seem to want today with their elaborate birth plans, candles, birthing tubs with fragrances, etc.  Even though every birth was, by definition, a home birth attended by a midwife, a lot of moms and babies died due to being breach, having heads that simply wouldn't fit out, poor hygeine, massive blood loss, preeclampsia, etc. 

We can talk all day about the "overmedicalization of the birthing process" all we want, but I was so grateful to be living in a time when I could give birth in a hospital with a NICU just down the hall, with a doppler monitor keeping a careful eye on my sweet little girl, blood pressure cuff ensuring that I wasn't suddenly about to stroke out, air conditioning and ice to suck on, etc.  We have it so good these days--and I just don't understand the incredible hate on the medical profession surrounding the birthing process.  Yes, some babies are birthed through c/s that could have been pushed out vaginally.  And yes, there are some consequences to that. 

But holy cow, if you read the number of lawsuits filed every day, you would see that ob/gyns have pretty much the suckiest profession in the world.  They truly are damned if they do, damned if they don't.  If a kid is hurt in the birthing process, their parents will pretty much ALWAYS sue.  Shoulder distocias pretty much guarantee a huge black mark against an Ob/gyns career.  So, if they see that the baby appears to be measuring pretty big, and they are concerned about distocia, why would they not start talking about c/s?  Their entire livelihood (and their family's financial stablility) is centered around getting babies out healthy and moms through the process healthy.  A malpractice case could jeopardize everything they have worked so hard for over the past 10-15 years.  Yes, doctors in Canada and in the UK, etc. are less likely to push for c/s--they have a legal system that doesn't allow the kinds of obscene tort recoveries that the American system so regularly sees.  Our legal system is broken.  And until it is fixed, doctors will have to continue to protect themselves and their families by trying to maximize their patients' likelihood of healthy procedures--even if that means that the occassional unnecessary c/s happens. 

Sorry--this got long. I am just so sick of the rampant doctor/hospital hate on these boards.   I have way more than 8 friends/family members who have given birth since I was born and I don't personally know a single woman who has died in childbirth.  I know plenty who have come close, and were saved by heroic actions of their medical team.   So, if any nurses or docs are reading this--I am so grateful for your service, and I don't know how you put up with reading the kind of stuff on here without suffering rage blackouts!

Well said, Sooner!  


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12-24-2012 at 8:40 AM
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I didn't realize this term was so loaded. I only used it because all of the prenatal classes I took referred to medfree births in this manner. I didn't mean to offend anyone with the term. I do not believe one way of delivering a baby is better than another. Whatever is best for you and the baby.
 
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