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01-04-2013 at 8:58 AM
KristinB!
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Ever feel like your chart doesn't match your CM?

So this is my first month charting and it's helpful... but also really confusing.  Based on the physical signs that I've always used to predict O (CM & CP), I definitely would have assumed I already ovulated.  But looking at my chart, I definitely have not yet had a sustained rise in temp.

I'm happy to know this so that I don't stop BDing and continue to try and time this with O, but it just doesn't seem like my physical cues are fertile (no soft CP, no EW CM) and matching up to the temps.  

I guess I'm just venting, and wondering if others have this same issue.  Here's a link to my current chart if you're interested in looking... http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/21dfa4/

Thanks!


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01-04-2013 at 9:01 AM
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I have (in previous cycles, not so much now) gotten EWCM through most of my cycle. I will have it fairly constantly if I drink a lot of water.

You might have already O'd but don't have enough temps for crosshairs yet. CM /can/ be an indicator of someone's fertile window but it doesn't always have to be, and it can change. Good luck!




TTC since October 2011.
DX with Non-IR PCOS in October 2012.
Missing RIGHT tube due to a prior surgery to remove cyst-zilla (40 lbs!) at age 12.
HSG showed tube was blocked - cleared by dye. DON'T DO CLOMID WITHOUT AN HSG!
Cycle #8 with 50mg Clomid & TI = BFN
Cycle #9 with 50mg Clomid & TI = No response.
Cycle #10 with Clomid 100mg + Ovidrel shot = BFN
Cycle #11 is a break cycle. Cycle #12 is a break cycle. (The break so nice, she did it twice!) 
01-04-2013 at 9:02 AM
ChicagoWed...
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I would say that you definitely have not O'd.

The temperature always trumps the CM.  CM is a nice guide, but you can't rely on it because you might miss it.  Also, are you sure you are catching your CM everyday.  There are a lot of blanks.  Try checking after you have a BM.  Or you could swipe your cervix to see if there is any CM up there, and while you're at it, check your cervical position. :) But even if you do all that, sometimes you just don't find your CM (if it's really slippery, it can just slip out while your peeing and you'll never see it.)  I think that opks and temps are the things to rely on.



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My fertility friend charts

~~TTC#1~~
09/2009 Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and D&C
17 BFN cycles
Diagnosis: MFI (low count), IVF recommended
Treatment: Anastrozole to increase testosterone
05/2011: 50 mg Clomid + IUI cancelled because there were 4 mature follies
06/2011: 25 mg Clomid + IUI → BFP at 10 dpo
02/2012: Baby boy born!

~~TTC#2~~
2 BFN cycles with short luteal phases
One night with DH = BFP on 4/15/2013!
EDD 12/26/2013
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01-04-2013 at 9:06 AM
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Is there any reason cd16 could be wrong? Like drinking, fever, or sleep loss? If not, I agree with CLE. If so, that temp could be throwing it off.

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01-04-2013 at 9:09 AM
KristinB!
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gardennymph:
Is there any reason cd16 could be wrong? Like drinking, fever, or sleep loss? If not, I agree with CLE. If so, that temp could be throwing it off.

CD16 I was up throughout the night sick, so didn't sleep well, and when I finally woke up to take my temp, it was much later that i usually do (by about 2-3 hours)... so I figured that might throw it off a bit.  

You think I could have already O'ed is that temp is off?


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01-04-2013 at 9:14 AM
gardennymp...
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KristinB!:

gardennymph:
Is there any reason cd16 could be wrong? Like drinking, fever, or sleep loss? If not, I agree with CLE. If so, that temp could be throwing it off.

CD16 I was up throughout the night sick, so didn't sleep well, and when I finally woke up to take my temp, it was much later that i usually do (by about 2-3 hours)... so I figured that might throw it off a bit.  

You think I could have already O'ed is that temp is off?


Yeah, if that is the case and that temp is off, then I think you would get CHs if your temp is high tomorrow.

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01-04-2013 at 9:25 AM
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gardennymph:
KristinB!:

gardennymph:
Is there any reason cd16 could be wrong? Like drinking, fever, or sleep loss? If not, I agree with CLE. If so, that temp could be throwing it off.

CD16 I was up throughout the night sick, so didn't sleep well, and when I finally woke up to take my temp, it was much later that i usually do (by about 2-3 hours)... so I figured that might throw it off a bit.  

You think I could have already O'ed is that temp is off?

Yeah, if that is the case and that temp is off, then I think you would get CHs if your temp is high tomorrow.

I'm confused.  Are you looking at the same chart I am.  I don't see any temp shift at all.  



Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. -Philo



My fertility friend charts

~~TTC#1~~
09/2009 Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and D&C
17 BFN cycles
Diagnosis: MFI (low count), IVF recommended
Treatment: Anastrozole to increase testosterone
05/2011: 50 mg Clomid + IUI cancelled because there were 4 mature follies
06/2011: 25 mg Clomid + IUI → BFP at 10 dpo
02/2012: Baby boy born!

~~TTC#2~~
2 BFN cycles with short luteal phases
One night with DH = BFP on 4/15/2013!
EDD 12/26/2013
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01-04-2013 at 10:35 AM
kat81again...
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yes every cycle! I used to get patches of ewcm before ovulation and sometimes after. typically I get it for a bunch of days before O. The weirdest thing has happened the last two cycles, though, in which my temps have possibly done the real shift two days after ovulation (ovulation then being deteremined by ewcm, opks, and FF's algorithm and not just the temps). It's really odd!

Everyone on here says temp temp temp and kind of dismisses opks and mucous readings in comparison but I think all of the signs are important. That being said, based on your chart, you have not ovulated. try opks!

01-04-2013 at 10:42 AM
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ChicagoWeded2007:

I'm confused.  Are you looking at the same chart I am.  I don't see any temp shift at all.  

o_O

Her temp spiked (unless CD18 was a fluke low temp) and if her temps continue to rise over the next day or two, she'll probably get crosshairs. CM certainly fits with the dip/spike, but OP isn't consistent in checking it, either. But with CM and higher sustained temps, she will get CH.




TTC since October 2011.
DX with Non-IR PCOS in October 2012.
Missing RIGHT tube due to a prior surgery to remove cyst-zilla (40 lbs!) at age 12.
HSG showed tube was blocked - cleared by dye. DON'T DO CLOMID WITHOUT AN HSG!
Cycle #8 with 50mg Clomid & TI = BFN
Cycle #9 with 50mg Clomid & TI = No response.
Cycle #10 with Clomid 100mg + Ovidrel shot = BFN
Cycle #11 is a break cycle. Cycle #12 is a break cycle. (The break so nice, she did it twice!) 
01-04-2013 at 10:45 AM
ChicagoWed...
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kat81again2:

yes every cycle! I used to get patches of ewcm before ovulation and sometimes after. typically I get it for a bunch of days before O. The weirdest thing has happened the last two cycles, though, in which my temps have possibly done the real shift two days after ovulation (ovulation then being deteremined by ewcm, opks, and FF's algorithm and not just the temps). It's really odd!

Everyone on here says temp temp temp and kind of dismisses opks and mucous readings in comparison but I think all of the signs are important. That being said, based on your chart, you have not ovulated. try opks!

 

That's true, the temp shift can be delayed by a day or two.  You should definitely look at all the signs.  You can also put in a few fake high temps for tomorrow and see what happens. 



Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. -Philo



My fertility friend charts

~~TTC#1~~
09/2009 Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and D&C
17 BFN cycles
Diagnosis: MFI (low count), IVF recommended
Treatment: Anastrozole to increase testosterone
05/2011: 50 mg Clomid + IUI cancelled because there were 4 mature follies
06/2011: 25 mg Clomid + IUI → BFP at 10 dpo
02/2012: Baby boy born!

~~TTC#2~~
2 BFN cycles with short luteal phases
One night with DH = BFP on 4/15/2013!
EDD 12/26/2013
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01-04-2013 at 11:06 AM
KristinB!
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Thanks everyone!  At least I know others have had similar issues.  I just kept expecting/hoping for a very clear pattern on my chart but with the Holidays and waking up at varying times over the past couple of weeks, that might explain it.  It's just so odd because I really feel like my physical signs are no longer fertile but I'll keep watching over the next few days and maybe my temps will stay higher.

Also, I still use the free version of FF so not even sure they give me CHs when I don't pay anything... ?


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01-04-2013 at 11:13 AM
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KristinB!:

Thanks everyone!  At least I know others have had similar issues.  I just kept expecting/hoping for a very clear pattern on my chart but with the Holidays and waking up at varying times over the past couple of weeks, that might explain it.  It's just so odd because I really feel like my physical signs are no longer fertile but I'll keep watching over the next few days and maybe my temps will stay higher.

Also, I still use the free version of FF so not even sure they give me CHs when I don't pay anything... ?

You'll still get crosshairs.  Try putting in fake temps for Sat, Sun and Mon and you'll see. 



Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. -Philo



My fertility friend charts

~~TTC#1~~
09/2009 Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and D&C
17 BFN cycles
Diagnosis: MFI (low count), IVF recommended
Treatment: Anastrozole to increase testosterone
05/2011: 50 mg Clomid + IUI cancelled because there were 4 mature follies
06/2011: 25 mg Clomid + IUI → BFP at 10 dpo
02/2012: Baby boy born!

~~TTC#2~~
2 BFN cycles with short luteal phases
One night with DH = BFP on 4/15/2013!
EDD 12/26/2013
 BabyFetus Ticker
 BabyFruit Ticker 
01-04-2013 at 1:55 PM
kat81again...
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ChicagoWeded2007:

I'm confused.  Are you looking at the same chart I am.  I don't see any temp shift at all.  

o_O

Her temp spiked (unless CD18 was a fluke low temp) and if her temps continue to rise over the next day or two, she'll probably get crosshairs. CM certainly fits with the dip/spike, but OP isn't consistent in checking it, either. But with CM and higher sustained temps, she will get CH.

I am genuinely confused by this. I read the chart as CW2007 did (no shift yet). There is a temp shift from CD 18 to 19 but the CD 19 reading is not higher than the earlier readings in the cycle. And on CD 20 her temp goes back down a bit. Also I often get CH without a temp SPIKE in one day (e.g. my current cycle).

Can someone remind me of the rules for what the coverline should look like compared to the temps prior to ovulation? (I do remember the rule for temps after O). I am also asking for myself because I'm surprised that FF has me ovulating on the 30th when I thought temps-wise I ovulated on the 2nd.

01-04-2013 at 2:43 PM
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I had a similar experience this cycle. I was really confused. I ended up ovulating just a few days later, and all of the signs matched the temp rise. Give it a few more days and see what happens.

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