One cup of black tea has 20% of the caffeine of a cup of coffee. Even if you have 3 cups of black tea a day, you are fine. Don't beat yourself up over it.

Yeah... I decided to go super clean after an early loss last fall (6 weeks).   It's hard to tell how much caffeine is in each cup -- I know that the Yardley Black tea I normally drink had about as much as a Starbucks cup of coffee.

No wonder I liked the Spearmint so much.  :-(

This is one of my favorite "doctored up" mint teas. Totally caff. free

http://www.teavana.com/the-teas/rooibos-teas/p/berry-mint-cassis-rooibos-tea

shecodes:

Thanks for the encouragement guys...  I'll let it go and do differently moving forward.  It's hard not to obsess after a mc about factors like this...

You know, I just want to validate this. It's easy for people to say that it's not a big deal and it 'shouldn't' affect your body but the reality is that there's a lot out there we don't know and it can't hurt to be as clean as possible.  I went from a follicle count of 9 to 22 after making major dietary changes and sticking to them come hell or high water.  It's fine if others don't want to commit to making a total change but don't try to make someone who is doing it feel bad. 

Shecodes I think its great you are trying to be very careful with your body and I sympathize with the sneak attack feeling when you are really working hard to keep something out and it sneaks in.

Kezzzke:

shecodes:

Thanks for the encouragement guys...  I'll let it go and do differently moving forward.  It's hard not to obsess after a mc about factors like this...

 

You know, I just want to validate this. It's easy for people to say that it's not a big deal and it 'shouldn't' affect your body but the reality is that there's a lot out there we don't know and it can't hurt to be as clean as possible.  I went from a follicle count of 9 to 22 after making major dietary changes and sticking to them come hell or high water.  It's fine if others don't want to commit to making a total change but don't try to make someone who is doing it feel bad. 

Shecodes I think its great you are trying to be very careful with your body and I sympathize with the sneak attack feeling when you are really working hard to keep something out and it sneaks in.

 

 

Drinking tea is not a major dietary change. 

And did you forget that you took Clomid as well? Oh. Yeah, because that won't make any difference.

Tell us again how Clomid can't help with progesterone issues.

GhostMonkey:

I did this post once before about an hour ago but it appears to not b showing up so I'll rewrite but if it somehow shows up twice...sorry.

Drinking tea is not a major dietary change. 

 You're correct but giving up caffeine is.

And did you forget that you took Clomid as well? Oh. Yeah, because that won't make any difference.

I'm not sure to what, specifically, you are referring to but no, I haven't forgotten what I put into my body.  However, my taking clomid is irrelevant to this conversation since it was taken after the measured growth of follicles.

Tell us again how Clomid can't help with progesterone issues.

 OK, so before I stated that I could only speak to my own experience, which is true for us all.  Also, according to the research I've done, clomid is not given as a therapy for progesterone. Any rise is progesterone post clomid is a by-product of follicle growth ( not the same as the number of follicles growing btw) and not a guarantee.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/508359-progesterone-levels-clomid-treatment-for-infertility/

I'm noticing a particular virulence in your posts, specifically in my direction and I'm wondering what caused this? I'm certainly not here to argue with anyone and it just seems unusual for anyone to have this much invested in other peoples particular and individual health choices and journey.  I'd love to hear what is causing your responses to me. 

Kezzzke:

Tell us again how Clomid can't help with progesterone issues.

 OK, so before I stated that I could only speak to my own experience, which is true for us all.  Also, according to the research I've done, clomid is not given as a therapy for progesterone. Any rise is progesterone post clomid is a by-product of follicle growth ( not the same as the number of follicles growing btw) and not a guarantee.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/508359-progesterone-levels-clomid-treatment-for-infertility/

 

 

I'm noticing a particular virulence in your posts, specifically in my direction and I'm wondering what caused this? I'm certainly not here to argue with anyone and it just seems unusual for anyone to have this much invested in other peoples particular and individual health choices and journey.  I'd love to hear what is causing your responses to me. 

Yeah, Livestrong. There's a well respected source of fertility information. How about maybe, oh, I don't know, a fertility clinic?

Clomiphene treatment

Clomiphene is a long trusted oral medication relied upon for its safety, effectiveness and relatively low cost. Clomiphene is used to treat absent or irregular menstrual cycles (ovulation induction), to address a condition called luteal phase defect by increasing progesterone secretion during the second half of the cycle and to make menstrual cycle lengths more predictable, thus improving the timing of intercourse or artificial insemination. Clomiphene may also be used to enhance ovulation in women who are already ovulating (ovulation augmentation).
http://www.pacificfertilitycenter.com/treatment-care/clomiphene

You spread bullshit and act like you know WTF you are talking about. Clearly you don't have a clue.

GhostMonkey:

Kezzzke:

Tell us again how Clomid can't help with progesterone issues.

 OK, so before I stated that I could only speak to my own experience, which is true for us all.  Also, according to the research I've done, clomid is not given as a therapy for progesterone. Any rise is progesterone post clomid is a by-product of follicle growth ( not the same as the number of follicles growing btw) and not a guarantee.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/508359-progesterone-levels-clomid-treatment-for-infertility/

 

 

I'm noticing a particular virulence in your posts, specifically in my direction and I'm wondering what caused this? I'm certainly not here to argue with anyone and it just seems unusual for anyone to have this much invested in other peoples particular and individual health choices and journey.  I'd love to hear what is causing your responses to me. 

Yeah, Livestrong. There's a well respected source of fertility information. How about maybe, oh, I don't know, a fertility clinic?

Clomiphene treatment

Clomiphene is a long trusted oral medication relied upon for its safety, effectiveness and relatively low cost. Clomiphene is used to treat absent or irregular menstrual cycles (ovulation induction), to address a condition called luteal phase defect by increasing progesterone secretion during the second half of the cycle and to make menstrual cycle lengths more predictable, thus improving the timing of intercourse or artificial insemination. Clomiphene may also be used to enhance ovulation in women who are already ovulating (ovulation augmentation).
http://www.pacificfertilitycenter.com/treatment-care/clomiphene

 

 

You spread bullshit and act like you know WTF you are talking about. Clearly you don't have a clue.

 

I'm sorry, did you miss the two times I stated that I was simply relaying my OWN EXPERIENCES and MY OWN RESEARCH. I certainly am not claiming to be an expert and have stated that multiple times.  I'm also not sure you can invalidate one source of information and then rely on a private institution for your information.

There will always be different doctors who say to use drugs for different reason and I think it has a lot to do with your doctors specific plan for you. I'm not sure why you are so convinced that your experience is the only one worth counting and that it can be broad banded to every other woman out there. This seems a little egocentric.

I also specifically asked you to please explain to me what your specific problem with me is since you seem to be hanging on to this. If you disagree with my personal experiences and think I'm dangerously handing out false information then the responsible and adult thing to do would be to politely correct me and source your information. Can you explain what your issue here is?

Kezzzke:

GhostMonkey:

Kezzzke:

Tell us again how Clomid can't help with progesterone issues.

 OK, so before I stated that I could only speak to my own experience, which is true for us all.  Also, according to the research I've done, clomid is not given as a therapy for progesterone. Any rise is progesterone post clomid is a by-product of follicle growth ( not the same as the number of follicles growing btw) and not a guarantee.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/508359-progesterone-levels-clomid-treatment-for-infertility/

 

 

I'm noticing a particular virulence in your posts, specifically in my direction and I'm wondering what caused this? I'm certainly not here to argue with anyone and it just seems unusual for anyone to have this much invested in other peoples particular and individual health choices and journey.  I'd love to hear what is causing your responses to me. 

Yeah, Livestrong. There's a well respected source of fertility information. How about maybe, oh, I don't know, a fertility clinic?

Clomiphene treatment

Clomiphene is a long trusted oral medication relied upon for its safety, effectiveness and relatively low cost. Clomiphene is used to treat absent or irregular menstrual cycles (ovulation induction), to address a condition called luteal phase defect by increasing progesterone secretion during the second half of the cycle and to make menstrual cycle lengths more predictable, thus improving the timing of intercourse or artificial insemination. Clomiphene may also be used to enhance ovulation in women who are already ovulating (ovulation augmentation).
http://www.pacificfertilitycenter.com/treatment-care/clomiphene

 

 

You spread bullshit and act like you know WTF you are talking about. Clearly you don't have a clue.

 

 

I'm sorry, did you miss the two times I stated that I was simply relaying my OWN EXPERIENCES and MY OWN RESEARCH. I certainly am not claiming to be an expert and have stated that multiple times.  I'm also not sure you can invalidate one source of information and then rely on a private institution for your information.

There will always be different doctors who say to use drugs for different reason and I think it has a lot to do with your doctors specific plan for you. I'm not sure why you are so convinced that your experience is the only one worth counting and that it can be broad banded to every other woman out there. This seems a little egocentric.

I also specifically asked you to please explain to me what your specific problem with me is since you seem to be hanging on to this. If you disagree with my personal experiences and think I'm dangerously handing out false information then the responsible and adult thing to do would be to politely correct me and source your information. Can you explain what your issue here is?

I don't like stupid. You are attempting to spread your breed of stupid as knowledge. I have major issues with that.

I did cite it, and there are a number of other sources that are easy to Google that state the same. And you cited a site that is a known joke when it comes to legit medical information. 

I think this sums up the rest:

By the way- I suggest you re-read that article you posted. Because it completely backs what everyone but you is saying.

GhostMonkey:

Kezzzke:

GhostMonkey:

Kezzzke:

Tell us again how Clomid can't help with progesterone issues.

 OK, so before I stated that I could only speak to my own experience, which is true for us all.  Also, according to the research I've done, clomid is not given as a therapy for progesterone. Any rise is progesterone post clomid is a by-product of follicle growth ( not the same as the number of follicles growing btw) and not a guarantee.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/508359-progesterone-levels-clomid-treatment-for-infertility/

 

 

I'm noticing a particular virulence in your posts, specifically in my direction and I'm wondering what caused this? I'm certainly not here to argue with anyone and it just seems unusual for anyone to have this much invested in other peoples particular and individual health choices and journey.  I'd love to hear what is causing your responses to me. 

Yeah, Livestrong. There's a well respected source of fertility information. How about maybe, oh, I don't know, a fertility clinic?

Clomiphene treatment

Clomiphene is a long trusted oral medication relied upon for its safety, effectiveness and relatively low cost. Clomiphene is used to treat absent or irregular menstrual cycles (ovulation induction), to address a condition called luteal phase defect by increasing progesterone secretion during the second half of the cycle and to make menstrual cycle lengths more predictable, thus improving the timing of intercourse or artificial insemination. Clomiphene may also be used to enhance ovulation in women who are already ovulating (ovulation augmentation).
http://www.pacificfertilitycenter.com/treatment-care/clomiphene

 

 

You spread bullshit and act like you know WTF you are talking about. Clearly you don't have a clue.

 

 

I'm sorry, did you miss the two times I stated that I was simply relaying my OWN EXPERIENCES and MY OWN RESEARCH. I certainly am not claiming to be an expert and have stated that multiple times.  I'm also not sure you can invalidate one source of information and then rely on a private institution for your information.

There will always be different doctors who say to use drugs for different reason and I think it has a lot to do with your doctors specific plan for you. I'm not sure why you are so convinced that your experience is the only one worth counting and that it can be broad banded to every other woman out there. This seems a little egocentric.

I also specifically asked you to please explain to me what your specific problem with me is since you seem to be hanging on to this. If you disagree with my personal experiences and think I'm dangerously handing out false information then the responsible and adult thing to do would be to politely correct me and source your information. Can you explain what your issue here is?

I don't like stupid. You are attempting to spread your breed of stupid as knowledge. I have major issues with that.

I did cite it, and there are a number of other sources that are easy to Google that state the same. And you cited a site that is a known joke when it comes to legit medical information. 

I think this sums up the rest:

By the way- I suggest you re-read that article you posted. Because it completely backs what everyone but you is saying.

 

 

Maybe you should read what I'm saying. Then you'd see that I'm not actually disagreeing with the fact that clomid can produce more progesterone and that some doctors recommend it as a therapy. In fact what I originally said was that was not what it was prescribed to ME for; or to you, as I see you also took progesterone after taking clomid. Guess that clomid just didn't boost your Progesterone enough?

I don't think you are in a position to decide who is right and who is wrong unless you happen to be a researcher in this field? I also think that it isn't an acceptable behavior to treat others rudely and without respect but I guess some people's mama's just don't raise them up right.

Kezzzke:

Maybe you should read what I'm saying. Then you'd see that I'm not actually disagreeing with the fact that clomid can produce more progesterone and that some doctors recommend it as a therapy. In fact what I orignially said was that was not what is was prescribed to ME for. or to you, as I see you also took progesterone after taking clomid. Guess that clomid just didn't boost your Progesterone enough?

 I don't think you are in a position to decide who is right and who is wrong unless you happen to be a researcher in this field? I also think that it isn't an acceptable behavior to treat others rudely and without respect but I guess some people's mama's just don't raise them up right. 

My progesterone was at 22 with one of my pregnancies, and I was still on suppositories because there's no such thing as too much progesterone.  So someone being on Clomid + progesterone isn't an automatic "Clomid obviously must not be for progesterone issues". 

Shayliz:

Kezzzke:

Maybe you should read what I'm saying. Then you'd see that I'm not actually disagreeing with the fact that clomid can produce more progesterone and that some doctors recommend it as a therapy. In fact what I orignially said was that was not what is was prescribed to ME for. or to you, as I see you also took progesterone after taking clomid. Guess that clomid just didn't boost your Progesterone enough?

 I don't think you are in a position to decide who is right and who is wrong unless you happen to be a researcher in this field? I also think that it isn't an acceptable behavior to treat others rudely and without respect but I guess some people's mama's just don't raise them up right. 

My progesterone was at 22 with one of my pregnancies, and I was still on suppositories because there's no such thing as too much progesterone.  So someone being on Clomid + progesterone isn't an automatic "Clomid obviously must not be for progesterone issues". 

Wow, try and read everything. I said it could be.  Try and keep up. 

Kezzzke:

Shayliz:

Kezzzke:

Maybe you should read what I'm saying. Then you'd see that I'm not actually disagreeing with the fact that clomid can produce more progesterone and that some doctors recommend it as a therapy. In fact what I orignially said was that was not what is was prescribed to ME for. or to you, as I see you also took progesterone after taking clomid. Guess that clomid just didn't boost your Progesterone enough?

 I don't think you are in a position to decide who is right and who is wrong unless you happen to be a researcher in this field? I also think that it isn't an acceptable behavior to treat others rudely and without respect but I guess some people's mama's just don't raise them up right. 

My progesterone was at 22 with one of my pregnancies, and I was still on suppositories because there's no such thing as too much progesterone.  So someone being on Clomid + progesterone isn't an automatic "Clomid obviously must not be for progesterone issues". 

 

Wow, try and read everything. I said it could be.  Try and keep up. 

Well shiit, didn't you just get on GM about being a biitch? I wasn't even rude to you.

Kezzzke:

 

Maybe you should read what I'm saying. Then you'd see that I'm not actually disagreeing with the fact that clomid can produce more progesterone and that some doctors recommend it as a therapy. In fact what I originally said was that was not what it was prescribed to ME for; or to you, as I see you also took progesterone after taking clomid. Guess that clomid just didn't boost your Progesterone enough?

 

I don't think you are in a position to decide who is right and who is wrong unless you happen to be a researcher in this field? I also think that it isn't an acceptable behavior to treat others rudely and without respect but I guess some people's mama's just don't raise them up right.

 

 

 

Actually I do not and never have had progesterone issues. Progesterone after any medicated cycle is standard protocol for IUIs. And yes, you did say Clomid does not help with progesterone. Would you like me to pull up the link since you can't seem to remember what bullshit spews from your fingers?

Telling someone they weren't raised right is also quite rude. You are a far bigger biitch than I am- my mother has nothing to do with this and you just drug her into it and insulted her. Do you also feel sorry for my husband and kid? Don't forget my dogs.

Way to show people what kind of person you really are. It won't be forgotten.

Shayliz:

Kezzzke:

Shayliz:

Kezzzke:

Maybe you should read what I'm saying. Then you'd see that I'm not actually disagreeing with the fact that clomid can produce more progesterone and that some doctors recommend it as a therapy. In fact what I orignially said was that was not what is was prescribed to ME for. or to you, as I see you also took progesterone after taking clomid. Guess that clomid just didn't boost your Progesterone enough?

 I don't think you are in a position to decide who is right and who is wrong unless you happen to be a researcher in this field? I also think that it isn't an acceptable behavior to treat others rudely and without respect but I guess some people's mama's just don't raise them up right. 

My progesterone was at 22 with one of my pregnancies, and I was still on suppositories because there's no such thing as too much progesterone.  So someone being on Clomid + progesterone isn't an automatic "Clomid obviously must not be for progesterone issues". 

 

Wow, try and read everything. I said it could be.  Try and keep up. 

Well shiit, didn't you just get on GM about being a biitch? I wasn't even rude to you.

you're right. I let myself get provoked into being rude. I apologize, it was uncalled for.  I got frustrated that people were misreading or misunderstanding my words and let my temper get the best of me.