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01-09-2013 at 9:32 PM
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TTC after stillbirth...CLOMID

HI! I am trying to conceive #2 after suffering a stillbirth in November 2011. I just took my first round of Clomid 50 mg days 3-7 in November of this year ( i usually have a regular 36 day cycle, but doc thought it might help me ovulate sooner ) and I am now on day 51 with no AF and multiple BFN! Has this happened to anyone else? What could it mean? Did Clomid cause me to NOT ovulate when i do ovulate normally?

My doc started me on progesterone so hopefully AF shows up soon.

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I have no advice, but I am so sorry for your loss.
 
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I am very sorry for your loss.
Regarding your clomid cycle, are you not being monitored? With a clomid cycle you should be fully monitored. That means cd3 bw, us to see follicle growth, and 7 dpo bw. You should not be wondering if you ovulated while taking clomid.
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I'm very sorry for your loss.  Did your doctor monitor you while on Clomid with ultrasounds and bloodwork? 
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Thank you all. 

The only monitoring i've gotten was an u/s on cd 24...to see if i might have ovulated but she said she couldn't tell. I'm so frustrated!
 
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Jngifford:

Thank you all. 

The only monitoring i've gotten was an u/s on cd 24...to see if i might have ovulated but she said she couldn't tell. I'm so frustrated!

I'm sorry for your loss.

Please educate yourself on the proper use and monitoring on Clomid. It's not candy and it can have very dangerous side effects, including loss of fertility. It also has a lifetime maximum of 6 cycles - if you actually do have issues with ovulation, it's be awful to waste them on unmonitored cycles.
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I'm so sorry for your loss.You are having this problem because you have taken clomid without being properly monitored. nbsp;When you take clomid, you should take it from a reproductive endocrinologist and not an ob/gyn. nbsp;Obs do not have training or expertise on clomid. Before taking clomid, you should have had an HSG to make sure your tubes are clear and your husband should have had a semen analysis. nbsp;This is because clomid has serious potential side effects such as cysts and you can only take it 6 times over your life time, so when you take it you have to make sure there are no other problems that would keep it from working.Also, if you were taking it from a doctor who knew what he was doing, you would have had bloodwork and ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycle. These are to make sure that clomid actually made you ovulate and that it doesn't make you ovulate too much and give you quadruplets. nbsp;I would ask for a referral to an RE and good luck to you. nbsp;An RE would have known whether or not the clomid made you ovulate. nbsp;I recommend a book called Taking Charge of Fertility. nbsp;eta: took out the cancer thing

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Jngifford:

Thank you all. 

The only monitoring i've gotten was an u/s on cd 24...to see if i might have ovulated but she said she couldn't tell. I'm so frustrated!

the ultrasounds should have started around CD 10, depending on results of your bloodwork and probably repeated every 2 days.  She said she couldn't tell?? Time for a new doc. 

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I'm so sorry for your loss.You are having this problem because you have taken clomid without being properly monitored. nbsp;When you take clomid, you should take it from a reproductive endocrinologist and not an ob/gyn. nbsp;Obs do not have training or expertise on clomid. Before taking clomid, you should have had an HSG to make sure your tubes are clear and your husband should have had a semen analysis. nbsp;This is because clomid causes cancer and you can only take it 6 times over your life time, so when you take it you have to make sure there are no other problems that would keep it from working.Also, if you were taking it from a doctor who knew what he was doing, you would have had bloodwork and ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycle. These are to make sure that clomid actually made you ovulate and that it doesn't make you ovulate too much and give you quadruplets. nbsp;I would ask for a referral to an RE and good luck to you. nbsp;An RE would have known whether or not the clomid made you ovulate. nbsp;I recommend a book called Taking Charge of Fertility. nbsp;

Can you please link something about clomid and cancer?!?!
From what I have read it is all theoretical connections not verified as fact.
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Please advise if this is a stupid question, but isn't Clomid to help ovulation?  Why would someone be taking it if they are "ovulating normally" like OP said?
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atcwag:
Please advise if this is a stupid question, but isn't Clomid to help ovulation?nbsp; Why would someone benbsp;taking it if they are "ovulating normally" like OP said?

It can be used to induce a stronger ovulation if you tend to have a weak but regular ovulation.
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gardennymph:
atcwag:
Please advise if this is a stupid question, but isn't Clomid to help ovulation?nbsp; Why would someone benbsp;taking it if they are "ovulating normally" like OP said?
It can be used to induce a stronger ovulation if you tend to have a weak but regular ovulation.

What would be classified as "weak" ovulation?  Sorry...still learning!
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I'm so sorry for your loss.You are having this problem because you have taken clomid without being properly monitored. nbsp;When you take clomid, you should take it from a reproductive endocrinologist and not an ob/gyn. nbsp;Obs do not have training or expertise on clomid. Before taking clomid, you should have had an HSG to make sure your tubes are clear and your husband should have had a semen analysis. nbsp;This is because clomid causes cancer and you can only take it 6 times over your life time, so when you take it you have to make sure there are no other problems that would keep it from working.Also, if you were taking it from a doctor who knew what he was doing, you would have had bloodwork and ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycle. These are to make sure that clomid actually made you ovulate and that it doesn't make you ovulate too much and give you quadruplets. nbsp;I would ask for a referral to an RE and good luck to you. nbsp;An RE would have known whether or not the clomid made you ovulate. nbsp;I recommend a book called Taking Charge of Fertility. nbsp;
Can you please link something about clomid and cancer?!?! From what I have read it is all theoretical connections not verified as fact.

Hm, you're right. I don't have any proof.  This is something I learned 2 years ago when I first started researching infertility.  It appears the connection might not be proven.  Sorry for my post which might contain wrong information. But I did find this link.  When infertile women who had taken any form of “fertility drugs” were compared to women who had never taken these medications, it was found that they had a 2.7 times increased relative risk of developing ovarian cancer   http://www.ivf.com/ovca.html

Regardless, there are many side effects of clomid and you should also be monitored to make sure it is even working while you are on it.

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09/2009 Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and D&C
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Diagnosis: MFI (low count), IVF recommended
Treatment: Anastrozole to increase testosterone
05/2011: 50 mg Clomid + IUI cancelled because there were 4 mature follies
06/2011: 25 mg Clomid + IUI → BFP at 10 dpo
02/2012: Baby boy born!

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atcwag:

Please advise if this is a stupid question, but isn't Clomid to help ovulation?  Why would someone be taking it if they are "ovulating normally" like OP said?

In addition to the weak/ strong ovulation thing, which I am not sure I understand either, when you take clomid you will probably get more than one egg ovulating and therefore a higher chance of getting pregnant.  We dealt with male factor infertility, but taking clomid was recommended to give my DH more "targets" 

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09/2009 Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and D&C
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Diagnosis: MFI (low count), IVF recommended
Treatment: Anastrozole to increase testosterone
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06/2011: 25 mg Clomid + IUI → BFP at 10 dpo
02/2012: Baby boy born!

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One night with DH = BFP on 4/15/2013!
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gardennymph:
atcwag:
Please advise if this is a stupid question, but isn't Clomid to help ovulation?nbsp; Why would someone benbsp;taking it if they are "ovulating normally" like OP said?

It can be used to induce a stronger ovulation if you tend to have a weak but regular ovulation.

What would be classified as "weak" ovulation?&nbsp; Sorry...still learning!


From what I understand, your, progesterone possibly would not reach numbers high enough to sustain pregnancy. I have seen some books say that weak o could be due to poor egg quality and or hormones imbalances. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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ChicagoWeded2007:
I'm so sorry for your loss.You are having this problem because you have taken clomid without being properly monitored. nbsp;When you take clomid, you should take it from a reproductive endocrinologist and not an ob/gyn. nbsp;Obs do not have training or expertise on clomid. Before taking clomid, you should have had an HSG to make sure your tubes are clear and your husband should have had a semen analysis. nbsp;This is because clomid causes cancer and you can only take it 6 times over your life time, so when you take it you have to make sure there are no other problems that would keep it from working.Also, if you were taking it from a doctor who knew what he was doing, you would have had bloodwork and ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycle. These are to make sure that clomid actually made you ovulate and that it doesn't make you ovulate too much and give you quadruplets. nbsp;I would ask for a referral to an RE and good luck to you. nbsp;An RE would have known whether or not the clomid made you ovulate. nbsp;I recommend a book called Taking Charge of Fertility. nbsp;
Can you please link something about clomid and cancer?!?! From what I have read it is all theoretical connections not verified as fact.

Women who have taken ovulation-inducing drugs have a higher incidence of cancer but it certainly has not been proven that Clomid causes cancer. Infertility and cancer are complex conditions that are not completely understood. My RE discussed the stats with me and did say it might be caused by the meds, it might be unrelated, or it might be that some unknown, underlying cause of infertility also increases the risks of cancer. 
ChicagoWeded, I saw you apologized for your misinformation but please edit your original post as well. 

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ChicagoWeded2007:
I'm so sorry for your loss.You are having this problem because you have taken clomid without being properly monitored. nbsp;When you take clomid, you should take it from a reproductive endocrinologist and not an ob/gyn. nbsp;Obs do not have training or expertise on clomid. Before taking clomid, you should have had an HSG to make sure your tubes are clear and your husband should have had a semen analysis. nbsp;This is because clomid causes cancer and you can only take it 6 times over your life time, so when you take it you have to make sure there are no other problems that would keep it from working.Also, if you were taking it from a doctor who knew what he was doing, you would have had bloodwork and ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycle. These are to make sure that clomid actually made you ovulate and that it doesn't make you ovulate too much and give you quadruplets. nbsp;I would ask for a referral to an RE and good luck to you. nbsp;An RE would have known whether or not the clomid made you ovulate. nbsp;I recommend a book called Taking Charge of Fertility. nbsp;

Can you please link something about clomid and cancer?!?!
From what I have read it is all theoretical connections not verified as fact.

Hm, you're right. I don't have any proof. &nbsp;This is something I learned 2 years ago when I first started researching infertility. &nbsp;It appears the connection might not be proven. &nbsp;Sorry for my post which might contain wrong information. But I did find this link. &nbsp;When infertile women who had taken any form of “fertility drugs” were compared to women who had never taken these medications, it was found that they had a 2.7 times increased relative risk of developing ovarian cancer &nbsp;&nbsp;http://www.ivf.com/ovca.html

Regardless, there are many side effects of clomid and you should also be monitored to make sure it is even working while you are on it.


I saw that link and the bolded part you copied is part of a large paragraph that goes on to debunk the study. There were many reasons that study was invalid. Here is a better link to a larger study http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/health/research/06cancer.html and another http://www.vcrmed.com/fertility_reston_va/drugs_cancer.html

ETA...I just wanted to add that the studies I linked showed no increase in the risk of cancer. All the women in the study were suffering from infertility. While women who have infertility issues ARE at a higher risk, fertility drugs did not cause another increase. It did, however, show an increased risk of certain ovarian tumors in women who did have ovarian cancer.
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Wow. This turned into a shiit show of misinformation.

OP, yes you need to be monitored more on Clomid and your Dr is putting you at risk for several side effects while on unmonitored cycles.

I'm sorry for your loss. Welcome back and I hope you can find a better doctor or if you have been TTC long enough can see a fertility specialist.

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ChicagoWeded2007:

I'm so sorry for your loss.

You are having this problem because you have taken clomid without being properly monitored.  When you take clomid, you should take it from a reproductive endocrinologist and not an ob/gyn.  Obs do not have training or expertise on clomid. Before taking clomid, you should have had an HSG to make sure your tubes are clear and your husband should have had a semen analysis.  This is because clomid causes cancer and you can only take it 6 times over your life time, so when you take it you have to make sure there are no other problems that would keep it from working.

Also, if you were taking it from a doctor who knew what he was doing, you would have had bloodwork and ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycle. These are to make sure that clomid actually made you ovulate and that it doesn't make you ovulate too much and give you quadruplets.  I would ask for a referral to an RE and good luck to you.  An RE would have known whether or not the clomid made you ovulate.  

I recommend a book called Taking Charge of Fertility.  

 

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OP, I'm very sorry for your loss and truly sorry that I didn't say that in my first post. Good luck with TTC, and I do recommend meeting with an RE instead of continuing with Clomid with your OB. 

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Jngifford:

HI! I am trying to conceive #2 after suffering a stillbirth in November 2011. I just took my first round of Clomid 50 mg days 3-7 in November of this year ( i usually have a regular 36 day cycle, but doc thought it might help me ovulate sooner ) and I am now on day 51 with no AF and multiple BFN! Has this happened to anyone else? What could it mean? Did Clomid cause me to NOT ovulate when i do ovulate normally?

My doc started me on progesterone so hopefully AF shows up soon.

Thanks in advance! 

Quit seeing an OB who doesn't know anything about this drug.

And whatever PP said u/s should begin on CD 10 is wrong about that too.  They should begin on CD 3!
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Why were you put on clomid if you have no problems ovulating on your own?



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Adam&Eve2:
Why were you put on clomid if you have no problems ovulating on your own?

Going on Clomid =/= not Oing at all.

I O'd on my own and my RE put me on it.  My P4 was low at 7DPO and after going on Clomid that wasn't an issue anymore. 

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I'm very sorry for your loss.

Please advocate for yourself and get new medical professionals.  

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HI! I am trying to conceive #2 after suffering a stillbirth in November 2011. I just took my first round of Clomid 50 mg days 3-7 in November of this year ( i usually have a regular 36 day cycle, but doc thought it might help me ovulate sooner ) and I am now on day 51 with no AF and multiple BFN! Has this happened to anyone else? What could it mean? Did Clomid cause me to NOT ovulate when i do ovulate normally?


My doc started me on progesterone so hopefully AF shows up soon.


Thanks in advance!&nbsp;



Quit seeing an OB who doesn't know anything about this drug.


And whatever PP said u/s should begin on CD 10 is wrong about that too.&nbsp; They should begin on CD 3!


I meant the mid cycle ultrasounds start around day 10 to look for follicles. You are right there should also be a baseline ultrasound at day 3.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. -Philo



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~~TTC#1~~
09/2009 Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and D&C
17 BFN cycles
Diagnosis: MFI (low count), IVF recommended
Treatment: Anastrozole to increase testosterone
05/2011: 50 mg Clomid + IUI cancelled because there were 4 mature follies
06/2011: 25 mg Clomid + IUI → BFP at 10 dpo
02/2012: Baby boy born!

~~TTC#2~~
2 BFN cycles with short luteal phases
One night with DH = BFP on 4/15/2013!
EDD 12/26/2013
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01-10-2013 at 8:20 AM
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ChicagoWeded2007:

Hm, you're right. I don't have any proof.

A board where people are looking for REAL information is a dangerous place to play operator.

http://www.ivf.com/ovca.html

Is there a link between the use of ovulation induction drugs and ovarian cancer?
In recent years, a multitude of studies have been published, attempting to find an association between the risk of ovarian cancer and environment factors, hereditary factors, and reproductive history. However, conclusive studies are scarce for a number of reasons. All examined associations appear to be weak, and the etiology of ovarian cancer appears to be multifactorial. This requires a large number of patients to reach any firm conclusion, and, based on the small number of ovarian cancers in the general population, it is difficult to find enough cases to demonstrate that a certain factor increases the risk of developing cancer.

Read that ENTIRE article. It cites (at least) a few studies. And FFS don't state something as fact (especially medical information) unless you can back it up.

Edit: And OP, I am so sorry for your loss. Monitoring should come with Clomid, and any RE/OB worth their salt should be able to provide you data about the limits they set for Clomid and why. I hope that you get some answers.



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DX with Non-IR PCOS in October 2012.
Missing RIGHT tube due to a prior surgery to remove cyst-zilla (40 lbs!) at age 12.
HSG showed tube was blocked - cleared by dye. DON'T DO CLOMID WITHOUT AN HSG!
Cycle #8 with 50mg Clomid & TI = BFN
Cycle #9 with 50mg Clomid & TI = No response.
Cycle #10 with Clomid 100mg + Ovidrel shot = BFN
Cycle #11 is a break cycle. Cycle #12 is a break cycle. (The break so nice, she did it twice!) 
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I can't even imagine the pain. I just wanted to tell you how sorry I am for your loss! 
 
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ChicagoWeded2007:
I'm so sorry for your loss.You are having this problem because you have taken clomid without being properly monitored. nbsp;When you take clomid, you should take it from a reproductive endocrinologist and not an ob/gyn. nbsp;Obs do not have training or expertise on clomid. Before taking clomid, you should have had an HSG to make sure your tubes are clear and your husband should have had a semen analysis. nbsp;This is because clomid causes cancer and you can only take it 6 times over your life time, so when you take it you have to make sure there are no other problems that would keep it from working.Also, if you were taking it from a doctor who knew what he was doing, you would have had bloodwork and ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycle. These are to make sure that clomid actually made you ovulate and that it doesn't make you ovulate too much and give you quadruplets. nbsp;I would ask for a referral to an RE and good luck to you. nbsp;An RE would have known whether or not the clomid made you ovulate. nbsp;I recommend a book called Taking Charge of Fertility. nbsp;
Can you please link something about clomid and cancer?!?! From what I have read it is all theoretical connections not verified as fact.

I think maybe there is a misunderstanding about Clomid and Cancer. Clomid does not cause cancer, but it was a drug that used to be used in the treatment of cancer in the past. This is information that I previously researched when I used Clomid myself.
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