shecodes:

The one time that I REALLY need a good temp, my insomnia flares up with a vengeance.   Got positive OPKs on Friday, Saturday and Sunday (Sunday's was much stronger, darker than the control line.  Not sure what to make of that). The line finally began to fade today.

I need my 5:00am temp to give me some clue if I actually O'd or not.  Can't drink (spikes my temp big time) so here I am.  Chamomile tea didn't really work. Hope the MotrinPM that I just took doesn't artificially jack up my temperature. 

Of course DH is soundly sleeping like a baby.  Resisting the urge to 'accidentally' kick him awake. Sigh.

1) To the bolded - it sounds like the only +OPK you had was Sunday.  In order to be positive, the line must be as dark or darker than the control. 

2) Stress/anxiety can make insomnia worse.  If you O tonight, you will have a sustained higher temp.  Does it suck that you'll miss this temp?  Yeah.  But you'll still be able to tell you ovulated overall by the shift in temp that will occur over the next few days. 

Try not to stress about it too much so you can get some good sleep tomorrow.  Missing this one temp only means you won't know if you ovulated today or tomorrow.  When it comes time to test, wait until you're 8dpo past the first day you're sure you O'd.

Good morning! Thanks for the feedback! What are you doing up? :.

The Friday and Saturday OPK's were definitely as dark as the control line. This is normal for me... But this Sunday was the first time that I've gotten a 3rd positive, and the fact that its MORE positive makes me fearful that my body might be struggling to ovulate and therefore kicking out more LH.

No temp spike as far as I can see... Slept for 1 hour then temped, it's still low I think.

shecodes:

Good morning! Thanks for the feedback! What are you doing up? :. The Friday and Saturday OPK's were definitely as dark as the control line. This is normal for me... But this Sunday was the first time that I've gotten a 3rd positive, and the fact that its MORE positive makes me fearful that my body might be struggling to ovulate and therefore kicking out more LH. No temp spike as far as I can see... Slept for 1 hour then temped, it's still low I think.

::facepalm:: No.

 It can be 48 hours after the last positive that you ovulate. That would be today. Chill. Seriously. 

 

GhostMonkey:

shecodes:

Good morning! Thanks for the feedback! What are you doing up? :. The Friday and Saturday OPK's were definitely as dark as the control line. This is normal for me... But this Sunday was the first time that I've gotten a 3rd positive, and the fact that its MORE positive makes me fearful that my body might be struggling to ovulate and therefore kicking out more LH. No temp spike as far as I can see... Slept for 1 hour then temped, it's still low I think.

::facepalm:: No.

 It can be 48 hours after the last positive that you ovulate. That would be today. Chill. Seriously. 

 

What GM said. Also, some people have longer surges of LH. You could just be having a longer surge this cycle than normal.

shecodes:

Good morning! Thanks for the feedback! What are you doing up? :. The Friday and Saturday OPK's were definitely as dark as the control line. This is normal for me... But this Sunday was the first time that I've gotten a 3rd positive, and the fact that its MORE positive makes me fearful that my body might be struggling to ovulate and therefore kicking out more LH. No temp spike as far as I can see... Slept for 1 hour then temped, it's still low I think.

WTF NO

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch.

Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch. Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

Yes.  That's why we temp to 'confirm' ovulation.  The OPKs give you warning that it might happen.

That's also why I tell ladies that want to do OPKs but not temp, that they should continue them for the entire cycle.  Also, that's why, if you are temping, you should continue OPKs until you have that temp jump that indicates an O.

Slapptastic:

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch.

Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

Yes.  That's why we temp to 'confirm' ovulation.  The OPKs give you warning that it might happen.

That's also why I tell ladies that want to do OPKs but not temp, that they should continue them for the entire cycle.  Also, that's why, if you are temping, you should continue OPKs until you have that temp jump that indicates an O.

shecodes:

Slapptastic:

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch.

Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

Yes.  That's why we temp to 'confirm' ovulation.  The OPKs give you warning that it might happen.

That's also why I tell ladies that want to do OPKs but not temp, that they should continue them for the entire cycle.  Also, that's why, if you are temping, you should continue OPKs until you have that temp jump that indicates an O.

Exactly. Which is the reason for my original post. I want a glimmer of hope of an O at least 1 high temp so I can make sense of this. I'll probably do a confirmation test with a digital.

We decided to BD every day in my fertile window, so I'm ready to take a little break from putting out..,. :P

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch. Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION! I upgrade my ::facepalm:: to ::headdesk::

So next week will be discussing your clear fertility issues that need testing? Because that's where your conversations are leading.

Remember when I said to chill? Seriously- give it a try. So you decided to try ever day during your fertile window. Cool. Turns out yours is longer than you were expecting and you would like a break. Your chances won't be shot to shiit if you take a day off.

 

GhostMonkey:

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch. Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION! I upgrade my ::facepalm:: to ::headdesk::

So next week will be discussing your clear fertility issues that need testing? Because that's where your conversations are leading.

Remember when I said to chill? Seriously- give it a try. So you decided to try ever day during your fertile window. Cool. Turns out yours is longer than you were expecting and you would like a break. Your chances won't be shot to shiit if you take a day off.

 

 

Settle down, armchair GYN.  The only person that needs to chill in here is you. This conversation isn't  'leading' to anything other than precisely what I said.  If and when I have 'clear fertility issues' I'll be discussing that with my OBGYN first, mkay?

At any rate, it looks like I *may* have a bad batch of OPK's.  I got suspicious at the 3rd day with the super dark line (as opposed to EXACTLY the same darkness as the control), so I didn't toss that pee cup.   Just tested that one and this morning with Clearblue digital --- the super dark one tested positive, but this morning's sample (which tested positive on Answer) produced a negative result.

Either Answer is more sensitive or I have a bad batch.  Might post pics for kicks.

lolwut

shecodes:

The one time that I REALLY need a good temp, my insomnia flares up with a vengeance.   Got positive OPKs on Friday, Saturday and Sunday (Sunday's was much stronger, darker than the control line.  Not sure what to make of that). The line finally began to fade today.

I need my 5:00am temp to give me some clue if I actually O'd or not.  Can't drink (spikes my temp big time) so here I am.  Chamomile tea didn't really work. Hope the MotrinPM that I just took doesn't artificially jack up my temperature. 

Of course DH is soundly sleeping like a baby.  Resisting the urge to 'accidentally' kick him awake. Sigh.

Motrin won't "jack up your temperature," it will bring it down, if anything.

shecodes:

GhostMonkey:

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch. Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION! I upgrade my ::facepalm:: to ::headdesk::

So next week will be discussing your clear fertility issues that need testing? Because that's where your conversations are leading.

Remember when I said to chill? Seriously- give it a try. So you decided to try ever day during your fertile window. Cool. Turns out yours is longer than you were expecting and you would like a break. Your chances won't be shot to shiit if you take a day off.

 

 

Settle down, armchair GYN.  The only person that needs to chill in here is you. This conversation isn't  'leading' to anything other than precisely what I said.  If and when I have 'clear fertility issues' I'll be discussing that with my OBGYN first, mkay?

At any rate, it looks like I *may* have a bad batch of OPK's.  I got suspicious at the 3rd day with the super dark line (as opposed to EXACTLY the same darkness as the control), so I didn't toss that pee cup.   Just tested that one and this morning with Clearblue digital --- the super dark one tested positive, but this morning's sample (which tested positive on Answer) produced a negative result.

Either Answer is more sensitive or I have a bad batch.  Might post pics for kicks.

Whoa, wait a minute.  You kept your pee stored in a cup overnight and tested it again this afternoon? 

Deja vu, anyone?

bbg676:

shecodes:

GhostMonkey:

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch. Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION! I upgrade my ::facepalm:: to ::headdesk::

So next week will be discussing your clear fertility issues that need testing? Because that's where your conversations are leading.

Remember when I said to chill? Seriously- give it a try. So you decided to try ever day during your fertile window. Cool. Turns out yours is longer than you were expecting and you would like a break. Your chances won't be shot to shiit if you take a day off.

 

 

Settle down, armchair GYN.  The only person that needs to chill in here is you. This conversation isn't  'leading' to anything other than precisely what I said.  If and when I have 'clear fertility issues' I'll be discussing that with my OBGYN first, mkay?

At any rate, it looks like I *may* have a bad batch of OPK's.  I got suspicious at the 3rd day with the super dark line (as opposed to EXACTLY the same darkness as the control), so I didn't toss that pee cup.   Just tested that one and this morning with Clearblue digital --- the super dark one tested positive, but this morning's sample (which tested positive on Answer) produced a negative result.

Either Answer is more sensitive or I have a bad batch.  Might post pics for kicks.

Whoa, wait a minute.  You kept your pee stored in a cup overnight and tested it again this afternoon? 

Deja vu, anyone?

Well, at least it wasn't her desk at work...

http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/66756333.aspx  For those who need to catch up

bbg676:

shecodes:

GhostMonkey:

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch. Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION! I upgrade my ::facepalm:: to ::headdesk::

So next week will be discussing your clear fertility issues that need testing? Because that's where your conversations are leading.

Remember when I said to chill? Seriously- give it a try. So you decided to try ever day during your fertile window. Cool. Turns out yours is longer than you were expecting and you would like a break. Your chances won't be shot to shiit if you take a day off.

 

 

Settle down, armchair GYN.  The only person that needs to chill in here is you. This conversation isn't  'leading' to anything other than precisely what I said.  If and when I have 'clear fertility issues' I'll be discussing that with my OBGYN first, mkay?

At any rate, it looks like I *may* have a bad batch of OPK's.  I got suspicious at the 3rd day with the super dark line (as opposed to EXACTLY the same darkness as the control), so I didn't toss that pee cup.   Just tested that one and this morning with Clearblue digital --- the super dark one tested positive, but this morning's sample (which tested positive on Answer) produced a negative result.

Either Answer is more sensitive or I have a bad batch.  Might post pics for kicks.

Whoa, wait a minute.  You kept your pee stored in a cup overnight and tested it again this afternoon? 

Deja vu, anyone?

 

I read that three times earlier, and it didn't click. I need more sleep.

Do we seriously have another pee hoarder on our hands?

:::cut quotes:::

shecodes:

Settle down, armchair GYN.  The only person that needs to chill in here is you. This conversation isn't  'leading' to anything other than precisely what I said.  If and when I have 'clear fertility issues' I'll be discussing that with my OBGYN first, mkay?

At any rate, it looks like I *may* have a bad batch of OPK's.  I got suspicious at the 3rd day with the super dark line (as opposed to EXACTLY the same darkness as the control), so I didn't toss that pee cup.   Just tested that one and this morning with Clearblue digital --- the super dark one tested positive, but this morning's sample (which tested positive on Answer) produced a negative result.

Either Answer is more sensitive or I have a bad batch.  Might post pics for kicks.

It's supposed to be as dark or darker than the control line. Go back and read the responses you were given or the test instructions.

Sigh.   I have no problem interpreting a postive vs negative OPK.  I'm a systems engineer, so reading instructions is second nature to me.  I am also not asking you what the results are.  I know that they are positive for LH surges. 

Maybe I didn't write what happened clearly:

OPK CD 16 :  Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 17:   Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18:    Test line significantly DARKER than the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18 (later in day)  Test line slightly LIGHTER than the control line (negative)

OPK CD 19:  Test line SAME DARKNESS than the control line

I decided not to throw out the first CD 18 sample, in order to retest with Clearblue digital.  Came back "positive" for the first CD 18 sample.

Also did a concurrent test the  CD 19 sample --  the Clearblue came back "negative", even though the CVS brand came out positive..

After some research, I believe that I found the answer.

CVS brand used to be white-labeled Answer test strips, but this is no longer the case.   The newer formulation is more sensitive -- it takes 20mIU to trigger a positive.   (my sister works for the FDA and looked it up for me today)

Clearblue Digital is a little less so -- either 30 or 40 mIU to trigger a positive.

This means that someone whose cycle decided to have either a slow ramp up that month, OR failed to ovulate and got a quick backup surge the next day, could show positives for 3 or more days.

It also appears that many women on this board have never heard of an overlapping LH surge, or secondary surges.   The 'go by first positive' method is not a hard and fast rule.

Because I'm on vacation and have no life, I will take pictures and post this info in another thread.

 

(Edited for readability)

Juliane?

shecodes:

Sigh.   I have no problem interpreting a postive vs negative OPK.  I'm a systems engineer, so reading instructions is second nature to me.  I am also not asking you what the results are.  I know that they are positive for LH surges. 

Maybe I didn't write what happened clearly:

OPK CD 16 :  Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 17:   Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18:    Test line significantly DARKER than the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18 (later in day)  Test line slightly LIGHTER than the control line (negative)

OPK CD 19:  Test line SAME DARKNESS than the control line

I decided not to throw out the first CD 18 sample, in order to retest with Clearblue digital.  Came back "positive" for the first CD 18 sample.

Also did a concurrent test the  CD 19 sample --  the Clearblue came back "negative", even though the CVS brand came out positive..

After some research, I believe that I found the answer.

CVS brand used to be white-labeled Answer test strips, but this is no longer the case.   The newer formulation is more sensitive -- it takes 20mIU to trigger a positive.   (my sister works for the FDA and looked it up for me today)

Clearblue Digital is a little less so -- either 30 or 40 mIU to trigger a positive.

This means that someone whose cycle decided to have either a slow ramp up that month, OR failed to ovulate and got a quick backup surge the next day, could show positives for 3 or more days.

It also appears that many women on this board have never heard of an overlapping LH surge, or secondary surges.   The 'go by first positive' method is not a hard and fast rule.

Because I'm on vacation and have no life, I will take pictures and post this info in another thread.

(Edited for readability)

If you know so much, why are you asking the board? I don't even see that you had an original question, other than the fact you had 3-4 days of surge and are confused? That happens to a lot of women. One day mine will be glaringly positive, the next negative, the next positive, and so on. That's why temping is important, because if I went off OPKs alone, I would have no effing idea when I ovulate.

As for storing pee and retesting, I'm sure the LH starts to break down at some point, so it probably would be negative a day later. Don't store your pee, it's weird and not helpful.

 Unless I missed something in one of your other posts, I think your original question has been answered. No reason to run to the other boards.

Don't store your pee, it's weird.

I wasn't asking a question, which is my point.  I was simply irritated by my insomnia jacking up my temps, which is the only thing that can tell me wth is going on exactly.  

That's when some premature snark entered the picture, making assumptions and answering questions that were never asked.  I'm probably being a bit of a *** because of the insomnia.  Whatever.

CJS2011:

shecodes:

The one time that I REALLY need a good temp, my insomnia flares up with a vengeance.   Got positive OPKs on Friday, Saturday and Sunday (Sunday's was much stronger, darker than the control line.  Not sure what to make of that). The line finally began to fade today.

I need my 5:00am temp to give me some clue if I actually O'd or not.  Can't drink (spikes my temp big time) so here I am.  Chamomile tea didn't really work. Hope the MotrinPM that I just took doesn't artificially jack up my temperature. 

Of course DH is soundly sleeping like a baby.  Resisting the urge to 'accidentally' kick him awake. Sigh.

Motrin won't "jack up your temperature," it will bring it down, if anything.

 

Thanks, for this answer... I was hoping that it wouldn't! :-)

shecodes:

I wasn't asking a question, which is my point.  I was simply irritated by my insomnia jacking up my temps, which is the only thing that can tell me wth is going on exactly.  

That's when some premature snark entered the picture, making assumptions and answering questions that were never asked.  I'm probably being a bit of a *** because of the insomnia.  Whatever.

Then get a blog? There, you can block all comments and never have to hear anything you don't like.

shecodes:

Sigh.   I have no problem interpreting a postive vs negative OPK.  I'm a systems engineer, so reading instructions is second nature to me.  I am also not asking you what the results are.  I know that they are positive for LH surges. 

Maybe I didn't write what happened clearly:

OPK CD 16 :  Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 17:   Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18:    Test line significantly DARKER than the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18 (later in day)  Test line slightly LIGHTER than the control line (negative)

OPK CD 19:  Test line SAME DARKNESS than the control line

I decided not to throw out the first CD 18 sample, in order to retest with Clearblue digital.  Came back "positive" for the first CD 18 sample.

Also did a concurrent test the  CD 19 sample --  the Clearblue came back "negative", even though the CVS brand came out positive..

After some research, I believe that I found the answer.

CVS brand used to be white-labeled Answer test strips, but this is no longer the case.   The newer formulation is more sensitive -- it takes 20mIU to trigger a positive.   (my sister works for the FDA and looked it up for me today)

Clearblue Digital is a little less so -- either 30 or 40 mIU to trigger a positive.

This means that someone whose cycle decided to have either a slow ramp up that month, OR failed to ovulate and got a quick backup surge the next day, could show positives for 3 or more days.

It also appears that many women on this board have never heard of an overlapping LH surge, or secondary surges.   The 'go by first positive' method is not a hard and fast rule.

Because I'm on vacation and have no life, I will take pictures and post this info in another thread.

 

(Edited for readability)

I think your BSC is showing.  

We actually talk about the bolded topic pretty much every.flicking.day.  We may not call it 'overlapping surg' but tomato, tomato.  And do please point me in the direction where any poster with knowledge speaks of this 'going by the first positive' rule.  

I would watch your tone and have your DH search your twat for your manners if you plan in sticking around. 

 

shecodes:

Sigh.   I have no problem interpreting a postive vs negative OPK.  I'm a systems engineer, so reading instructions is second nature to me.  I am also not asking you what the results are.  I know that they are positive for LH surges. 

Maybe I didn't write what happened clearly:

OPK CD 16 :  Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 17:   Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18:    Test line significantly DARKER than the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18 (later in day)  Test line slightly LIGHTER than the control line (negative)

OPK CD 19:  Test line SAME DARKNESS than the control line

I decided not to throw out the first CD 18 sample, in order to retest with Clearblue digital.  Came back "positive" for the first CD 18 sample.

Also did a concurrent test the  CD 19 sample --  the Clearblue came back "negative", even though the CVS brand came out positive..

After some research, I believe that I found the answer.

CVS brand used to be white-labeled Answer test strips, but this is no longer the case.   The newer formulation is more sensitive -- it takes 20mIU to trigger a positive.   (my sister works for the FDA and looked it up for me today)

Clearblue Digital is a little less so -- either 30 or 40 mIU to trigger a positive.

This means that someone whose cycle decided to have either a slow ramp up that month, OR failed to ovulate and got a quick backup surge the next day, could show positives for 3 or more days.

It also appears that many women on this board have never heard of an overlapping LH surge, or secondary surges.   The 'go by first positive' method is not a hard and fast rule.

Because I'm on vacation and have no life, I will take pictures and post this info in another thread.

 

(Edited for readability)

Who here said to go by only the first positive...?

I, for one, don't need or want pictures.  Your description is more than enough IMO.

And be careful with storing your piss...

krptcmschfmkr128:

bbg676:

shecodes:

GhostMonkey:

shecodes:

A clear and definite positive today as well. I am either surging or have a defective batch. Additionally, it is possible to have additional surges if you fail to ovulate the first time.

THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION! I upgrade my ::facepalm:: to ::headdesk::

So next week will be discussing your clear fertility issues that need testing? Because that's where your conversations are leading.

Remember when I said to chill? Seriously- give it a try. So you decided to try ever day during your fertile window. Cool. Turns out yours is longer than you were expecting and you would like a break. Your chances won't be shot to shiit if you take a day off.

 

 

Settle down, armchair GYN.  The only person that needs to chill in here is you. This conversation isn't  'leading' to anything other than precisely what I said.  If and when I have 'clear fertility issues' I'll be discussing that with my OBGYN first, mkay?

At any rate, it looks like I *may* have a bad batch of OPK's.  I got suspicious at the 3rd day with the super dark line (as opposed to EXACTLY the same darkness as the control), so I didn't toss that pee cup.   Just tested that one and this morning with Clearblue digital --- the super dark one tested positive, but this morning's sample (which tested positive on Answer) produced a negative result.

Either Answer is more sensitive or I have a bad batch.  Might post pics for kicks.

Whoa, wait a minute.  You kept your pee stored in a cup overnight and tested it again this afternoon? 

Deja vu, anyone?

Well, at least it wasn't her desk at work...

http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/66756333.aspx  For those who need to catch up

 

Ew, now that's just plain nasty.  Let me put your mind at ease:  I don't go around storing pee for chrissake.  One sample cup on a bathroom counter does not a urine hoarder make... anyone who has had to store a FMU sample for the doctor knows that. lol.

The LH doesn't break down that fast... doing a second confirmation test later will still be good (not true for HPT though I think)

Holy crap, you are neurotic

Banker&BSN:

shecodes:

Sigh.   I have no problem interpreting a postive vs negative OPK.  I'm a systems engineer, so reading instructions is second nature to me.  I am also not asking you what the results are.  I know that they are positive for LH surges. 

Maybe I didn't write what happened clearly:

OPK CD 16 :  Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 17:   Test line SAME DARKNESS as the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18:    Test line significantly DARKER than the control line (positive)

OPK CD 18 (later in day)  Test line slightly LIGHTER than the control line (negative)

OPK CD 19:  Test line SAME DARKNESS than the control line

I decided not to throw out the first CD 18 sample, in order to retest with Clearblue digital.  Came back "positive" for the first CD 18 sample.

Also did a concurrent test the  CD 19 sample --  the Clearblue came back "negative", even though the CVS brand came out positive..

After some research, I believe that I found the answer.

CVS brand used to be white-labeled Answer test strips, but this is no longer the case.   The newer formulation is more sensitive -- it takes 20mIU to trigger a positive.   (my sister works for the FDA and looked it up for me today)

Clearblue Digital is a little less so -- either 30 or 40 mIU to trigger a positive.

This means that someone whose cycle decided to have either a slow ramp up that month, OR failed to ovulate and got a quick backup surge the next day, could show positives for 3 or more days.

It also appears that many women on this board have never heard of an overlapping LH surge, or secondary surges.   The 'go by first positive' method is not a hard and fast rule.

Because I'm on vacation and have no life, I will take pictures and post this info in another thread.

 

(Edited for readability)

I think your BSC is showing.  

We actually talk about the bolded topic pretty much every.flicking.day.  We may not call it 'overlapping surg' but tomato, tomato.  And do please point me in the direction where any poster with knowledge speaks of this 'going by the first positive' rule.  

I would watch your tone and have your DH search your twat for your manners if you plan in sticking around. 

 

 

Ah yes. This thread is getting sillier by the minute.   I will mind my manners, mostly because I'm bored with the foolishness and better than this nonsense.  GL all.