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01-24-2013 at 1:11 PM
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DH is frustrated at messy house...long

DH is a resident physician with a very busy schedule, I work FT, we have a 2.5yo DD, I'm pregnant and tired, and I am a terrible housewife. I suck at cleaning, it's a real chore for me. My house is cluttered but I try to stay on top of stuff. Between DH and I we always have clean clothes, clean dishes, hot meals, etc...DH is a much neater person than I am, but he definitely lets his desk get piled at times. It's not like all his pencils have to be facing the same direction or anything. The clutter and mess bothers him, and bothers me too, but I am much more tolerant because it's not like we do NOTHING, you know? We're busy.

Anyways, we are in the middle of moving furniture and stuff around to make room for LO#2 and our bedroom is a mess. I keep saying I will get to it but life gets in the way and I haven't started yet. DH keeps asking me when it will get done. I keep saying "Before the baby gets here" because it will get done when it gets done, IMO. This morning DH was really being pouty and I asked him what was up and he was really upset that there is so much stuff, so much mess, so much to do, etc...I said "I understand why it frustrates you, but I do not think you should be THIS upset over it because you are a doctor, I work, we are having a 2nd kid, we will be busy for the next 20 years. It's life." And then DH pretty much gave me a functional silent treatment for the morning. This is completely unlike him. We NEVER fight like that, so he's obviously pretty ticked. I know he's in a busy time at work, and we live in New Orleans and it's Mardi Gras, which completely dominates life for a month (road closures and such), but I am a believer that things get done. Any advice? Support? Commiseration? 


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01-24-2013 at 1:14 PM
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DH and I were at odds recently because we moved and I was too ill with morning sickness to unpack much. "Pouty" would be an understatement - he'd move through the other rooms of the apartment grumbling and cursing all day and ask me every hour if I was ready to unpack yet. 

Can you hire someone to help you? It's better than arguing. 


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01-24-2013 at 1:15 PM
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Advice! If you have the means and you need help hire it!

And if you don't have the means the frustrated party is going to need to chip in and tackle what bothers him first. I get it, I get realyl squirrely when our house is in chaos, it makes me feel like my life is in chaos. So I need to devote an hour or two to getting a handle on it. Yes, I'm busy, yes, I manage.


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If it's nitty gritty cleaning that's needed I would hire someone (even just to come and do a deep clean so you can keep up with it from there). 

It sounds more like you need to do some straightening, organizing, and purging.  If that's the case, can someone watch your LO 1 day when both you and DH are off (if need be, someone can take a vacation day).  I'm a SAHM so the cleaning and organizing is my "job".  DH has a bunch of crap in the basement (well we both do), this Saturday IL's are going to take all 3 of our kids and we'll spend hours down there organizing and getting rid of stuff.  I can't really do it because if it was up to me I'd rent a dumpster and toss everything that's down there (honestly, other than a few momentos that fit into 1 plastic tote).

Like PP said, I get very anxious when the house is messy, but you can only do what you can do.  IMO your DH has no right to be mad if you're both working, and he has no inention of helping you out.


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01-24-2013 at 1:27 PM
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When my DH was in residency and fellowship, I also worked FT with a baby/toddler.  Our house was always crazy.  I remember wishing I could have a day off just to catch up on laundry!  Now, he's an attending, and since we can finally afford it, we hired a maid.  Even though she comes just every other week, it forces me to keep the house picked up before she comes...and the time it saves, WOW!  It has made a big difference.  

If you can afford it, I'd recommend a maid now.  If not, just know it will get better once you have better finances or figure out a routine that does not rely so heavily on you alone to keep up with the house.

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01-24-2013 at 1:27 PM
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If I were you I would hire a maid to come once a week or once every other week. A professional organizer is also a good way to make organizing solutions work in your home long term. With how busy you are you need to hire help.
 
01-24-2013 at 1:32 PM
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I'm a resident so I know where your husband is coming from. I'm also 22 weeks pregnant so I know what you are going through. My best advice is to get a housecleaner/maid. It will be worth every penny!!!!

DH works 80 plus hours a week at his job so between the 2 of us, neither one wants to do housework when we get home. We aren't dirty but things tend to get messy or cluttered.  We found a maid service that will deep clean plus do laundry, dishes etc. it is a life saver.

Another note, tell your DH that pregnancy fatigue is like being on q3 call indefinitely. He will understand what that means.  On your part, try to understand that residency is harder than anyone will ever admit. The stress and workload make you a very selfish person even if you really try to have a work-life balance. I wanted to do absolutely nothing but sleep on my day off after working 15 hour days for 28 days in a row.  


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01-24-2013 at 1:43 PM
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I agree that if you have the means to hire help then you should. It sounds like it would help both of you to be less stressed. 

However, I think if you have clean dishes, laundry, and food on the table, you're doing awesome.  If he's that upset about the clutter, why doesn't he help? You both work, it shouldn't be all on you. I can't imagine all the clutter in your house is yours and yours alone right?


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01-24-2013 at 1:47 PM
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If he's going to throw a fit over it he needs to be pitching in more. Otherwise, hire someone to do it for you. 


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01-24-2013 at 1:52 PM
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I could have wrote your post.  Both DH and I work full time and have a 22 month old.  Our house is not dirty and we rarely have dishes in the sink,etc however sometimes gets cluttered with baby toys, etc.  This drives my husband nutz.  I am not a neat freak, but he is almost OCD about it.  He gets upset if anything is out of place or if mail is left on the table too long (if its my mail).  I think pregnancy makes it soo much harder to keep up, especially if you have been really fatigued.  I have struggled because all I want to do when I get home from work is relax.  Having a toddler I definitely need to care for him, feed him, make dinner and then clean up after dinner and little time is left.  The good thing that DH helps out a lot, but he has a hard time understanding how tired I am. 

 I agree with the above posters, if I could afford it I would hire a weekly cleaning service.  You will be forced to straighten up before hand, and it will seem a lot less stressful than having to do all the hard core cleaning.  G/L, I can relate :(


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01-24-2013 at 2:00 PM
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I agree with PP hire help! I work FT and DH is a doctor too. We recently hired someone to help with floors and bathrooms... It's amazing what a difference it makes. It makes me so mad when DH complains that he has to do all the work... He wants a medal when he helps around the house!

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01-24-2013 at 2:33 PM
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You're not a housewife.  You're a busy working mother to a toddler.

I agree about having help if you can afford it.  We have someone clean our house once a month.  It is my sanity it and it does so much for my marriage.  Sometimes it means that I can't get to cleaning certain things, and then the cleaning lady does it.  Other times it means I could get to them but because I know she's coming I tackle something else instead. 

We're reviewing out budget and debating the cleaning lady....I'm terrified to lose her lol.

But really..I see both sides.  DH's job is a more demanding than mine, especially lately, but I'm so exhausted that we're still pretty much splittling household duties.  He needs to understand how hard it is to be in your position and a little more understanding.  You're right.  It IS life.  It is chaos.  In some ways it will get worse, not better. 

On the flip side I'm always amazed what we can get done when we take an hour and tackle something, either together with one person supervising childcare on the side while the kiddo is awake, or one of us will tackle something while the other handles bedtime etc. 

Just because it's life doesn't mean it's not something you can both work to improve.  But he needs to cut you a break.


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01-24-2013 at 2:46 PM
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I swear, my DH and I are having the same battle.  We both work full time 40+hrs a week, on top of that I am in school on the weekends working on my Masters degree, all while being 27 weeks!  When I come home at night the last thing I want to do is clean, I would much rather just get off my aching feet.  I am in the same mindset as you, I know what needs to get done and it will get done before our baby girl gets here.  I am acutlaly taking a day of work tomorrow, to do some cleaning and organizing.  I told my DH if he's not willing to pitch in and help, he can keep his attitude to himself.  Good luck and hang in there, it will get done.  Don't stress!
 
01-24-2013 at 3:59 PM
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Thanks for all the replies. A maid is on the docket immediately after residency is over, but that is summer of 2014 :( We do need the help bigtime. We are also going to get a sitter for a weekend day (which I hate doing) in about 5 weeks, so that should help a little. We both apologized by text today and DH said we should talk tonight. I made myself a (hopefully) manageable to-do list for the evening, so hopefully we'll get this nipped in the butt. 

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01-24-2013 at 4:39 PM
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It's like me (but our roles reversed).

DH and I both work 40+hrs a week. I've always been early to bed, early to rise but since I've been pregnant I've been going to bed even earlier. I have like an hour from when I get home till I feel exhausted and need to sleep.
Except...DH does all of our cleaning. And sure, normal living makes the apartment dirty (especially with pets) and it sometimes drives me nuts.

But I don't say anything because I'm not willing to clean. haha
And that's exactly what DH has told me.


Your husband needs to pitch in if he is going to keep whinning about the mess. It shouldn't rely all on you while you grow another human, take care of a LO AND work.
It's a partnership.

 

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01-24-2013 at 6:09 PM
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If it's nitty gritty cleaning that's needed I would hire someone even just to come and do a deep clean so you can keep up with it from there.nbsp; It sounds more like you need to do some straightening, organizing, and purging.nbsp; If that's the case, can someone watch your LO 1 day when both you and DH are off if need be, someone can take a vacation day.nbsp; I'm a SAHM so the cleaning and organizing is my "job".nbsp; DH has a bunch of crap in the basement well we both do, this Saturday IL's are going to take all 3 of our kids and we'll spend hours down there organizing and getting rid of stuff.nbsp; I can't really do it because if it was up to me I'd rent a dumpster and toss everything that's down there honestly, other than a few momentos that fit into 1 plastic tote.Like PP said, I get very anxious when the house is messy, but you can only do what you can do.nbsp; IMO your DH has no right to be mad if you're both working, and he has no inention of helping you out.


I have this same problem but my DH is the househusband and I'm the breadwinner... We moved for my job and he did ALL the unpacking it was wonderful. Every time I came home the first couple weeks things were a little better unpacked and arranged. But the stuff that I need to go through, much of it clothes and stuff from my desk etc, is still in boxes in the bedroom. He doesnt know what to keep vs theow out since its my stuff. We moved last Aug 7.... I got through like 3 boxes a couple weeks ago though...

OP, if you're working FT you're not a housewife, and I sincerely hope your husband helps with housework. If he doesn't, then the budget to hire a maid can come out of his entertainment or beer money!
 
01-24-2013 at 7:04 PM
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DH and I both have successful careers.  We hire people to clean our house.  You need to do so too! 

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01-24-2013 at 7:06 PM
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nycnola:
Thanks for all the replies. A maid is on the docket immediately after residency is over, but that is summer of 2014 :( We do need the help bigtime. We are also going to get a sitter for a weekend day (which I hate doing) in about 5 weeks, so that should help a little. We both apologized by text today and DH said we should talk tonight. I made myself a (hopefully) manageable to-do list for the evening, so hopefully we'll get this nipped in the butt. 

It's costs us $110 every 2 weeks to have our house deep cleaned and organized.  You can't afford that for the next year?  It sounds like you really need it to stay sane. 


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01-24-2013 at 7:07 PM
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I could have written this as well. My H is a Surgical Fellow. I am a school administrator ( until twins are born). we both work between 60 -80 hours a week though Doctor has demanded I keep it to 50 hours now.We have a house cleaning team come in twice a week to keep the peace, he is type A++++++ and I am a B- so I am calm he is anal. Yikes. Good luck, hope he snaps out of his funk.

 
01-24-2013 at 8:06 PM
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DH is a resident physician with a very busy schedule, I work FT, we have a 2.5yo DD, I'm pregnant and tired, and I am a terrible housewife. I suck at cleaning, it's a real chore for me. My house is cluttered but I try to stay on top of stuff. Between DH and I we always have clean clothes, clean dishes, hot meals, etc...DH is a much neater person than I am, but he definitely lets his desk get piled at times. It's not like all his pencils have to be facing the same direction or anything. The clutter and mess bothers him, and bothers me too, but I am much more tolerant because it's not like we do NOTHING, you know? We're busy. Anyways, we are in the middle of moving furniture and stuff around to make room for LO2 and our bedroom is a mess. I keep saying I will get to it but life gets in the way and I haven't started yet. DH keeps asking me when it will get done. I keep saying "Before the baby gets here" because it will get done when it gets done, IMO. This morning DH was really being pouty and I asked him what was up and he was really upset that there is so much stuff, so much mess, so much to do, etc...I said "I understand why it frustrates you, but I do not think you should be THIS upset over it because you are a doctor, I work, we are having a 2nd kid, we will be busy for the next 20 years. It's life." And then DH pretty much gave me a functional silent treatment for the morning. This is completely unlike him. We NEVER fight like that, so he's obviously pretty ticked. I know he's in a busy time at work, and we live in New Orleans and it's Mardi Gras, which completely dominates life for a month road closures and such, but I am a believer that things get done. Any advice? Support? Commiseration?nbsp;




I go through the exact same thing with DH. He's adhd and ocd to a fault. Our issue is the bedroom closet, oi vey! You just gotta talk it out he's probably stressed with work, 'change', etc. It's very busy for us too, we just moved and he frequently travels... honestly though he needs to realize you're each only one person, only human and there's very few hours in the day. Best thing is try not to take it personal.

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That stinks to be going through all of that. I was going nuts because we still had all kinds of unpacked boxes stacked a mile high around our house and it was just a disaster (in my mind). We spent about three hours a few weeks ago and tackled as much as we could and agreed that every Sunday we'd dedicate one hour to cleaning house. When we both pitch in and work together, it's amazing what we can accomplish. And now I find myself trying to do more little things throughout the week to get ahead so we can take care of the bigger things when we do our weekly Sunday cleaning. It's amazing what a difference this has made for us.

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Lots of great advice here! Basically, if you BOTH work FT, then he has just as much responsibility to the mess. He should help out, and if not, hire a cleaning lady or back off.

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I made myself a weekly chore list to keep up on cleaning. It means I do one or two regular things to do a day. [clean bathroom, vacuum, dust, laundry, washsheets aand towels, etc.] Then I have a list of extra stuff like organizing and clutter. I will work on it for half an hour a day. Usually i will work on it longer if i feel like it. You will be surprised how much you get done speed cleaning for half an hour!

Our house is tiny and gets cluttered fast. It looked like we were hoarders with the wedding aftermath and pregnancy fatigue. Good luck!!

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01-25-2013 at 8:27 AM
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It is not your sole responsibility to be the housekeeper no matter how much your H works. I would make a chore/to do list to do before the baby comes and split it up evenly.

You work full time and have a todder. If my H ever suggested I wasn't doing enough to clean the house when he did nothing, I would be f. ucking pissed.




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Out of curosity what year, and what specaility. My husband is a radiology resident, and I am a SAHM. I am not sure what I would do if I had to work because I feel like our lives revolve around him and his training! I think you should get major credit for being a working mother married to a resident, busy stuff! I clean everything, and he works, and that is just how we split things up. On his own he cleans up here and there and helps, alot more if he is on a light rotation.  If I worked as well that would not be the case at all, it would need to be more evenly split for sure (esp. being sick and pregnant). He need to have chores he does as well, the hard part is that you can't really set chores since I am sure he is busier based on call schedule and what rotation he is on. Does he have to study a lot as well? Maybe he can have chores, and pick up the slack if he is on call?

 It is diffucult with a resident as a spouse because there is no consistancy, there are boards along the way to study for, rotations that vary, call, perhaps nightfoat. It seems like every month bring something new. You guys will need to figure out a flexible plan. Also you might just have to say at some point this is a busy time of life. He s a resident, you work full time, you have a toddler, and you are pregnant. Avoid a grossly hazaradous house, but standards may need to be lowered a bit. Piles of mail here, unvaccumed rooms, dust an inch thick on the TV :) Get through this time, be happy, and tell him to be flexible, and work with you. There will be a time in life that he will work a little less, and your kids will be older and can help, and your house will be sparkiling perfection then. Remind him of that, and tell him how  you are feeling. He does need to help more though most deffinantly!


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Mrs.Handy:

It is not your sole responsibility to be the housekeeper no matter how much your H works. I would make a chore/to do list to do before the baby comes and split it up evenly.

You work full time and have a todder. If my H ever suggested I wasn't doing enough to clean the house when he did nothing, I would be f. ucking pissed.

Me too. He's got two hands and knows how to clean. He should be helping you out and quit his b1tchin'.


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01-25-2013 at 10:51 AM
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Out of curosity what year, and what specaility. My husband is a radiology resident, and I am a SAHM. I am not sure what I would do if I had to work because I feel like our lives revolve around him and his training! I think you should get major credit for being a working mother married to a resident, busy stuff! I clean everything, and he works, and that is just how we split things up. On his own he cleans up here and there and helps, alot more if he is on a light rotation.  If I worked as well that would not be the case at all, it would need to be more evenly split for sure (esp. being sick and pregnant). He need to have chores he does as well, the hard part is that you can't really set chores since I am sure he is busier based on call schedule and what rotation he is on. Does he have to study a lot as well? Maybe he can have chores, and pick up the slack if he is on call?

 It is diffucult with a resident as a spouse because there is no consistancy, there are boards along the way to study for, rotations that vary, call, perhaps nightfoat. It seems like every month bring something new. You guys will need to figure out a flexible plan. Also you might just have to say at some point this is a busy time of life. He s a resident, you work full time, you have a toddler, and you are pregnant. Avoid a grossly hazaradous house, but standards may need to be lowered a bit. Piles of mail here, unvaccumed rooms, dust an inch thick on the TV :) Get through this time, be happy, and tell him to be flexible, and work with you. There will be a time in life that he will work a little less, and your kids will be older and can help, and your house will be sparkiling perfection then. Remind him of that, and tell him how  you are feeling. He does need to help more though most deffinantly!

Thanks for this! DH is a 2nd year IM resident. We are halfway done. Then he'll work for two years, and then he is going to do a Palliative Care fellowship. The complete lack of consistency is a huge issue. We are tired all.the.time from his ever changing schedule. When his alarm goes off at 4:30am, I'm up too. You know how it is. And yes, the studying. THE STUDYING! Haha, I almost hate that more. And DH just got two separate presentations accepted to conferences, and one of them is getting written up for a journal. I am super proud of him, but we can only do so much. I think the house is the least important of all our to-dos. It is certainly interesting being a medical spouse. We have some friends here that are married residents with a 1yo and 3yo. I have no idea how they do it. 


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01-25-2013 at 11:16 AM
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Mrs.Handy:

It is not your sole responsibility to be the housekeeper no matter how much your H works. I would make a chore/to do list to do before the baby comes and split it up evenly.

You work full time and have a todder. If my H ever suggested I wasn't doing enough to clean the house when he did nothing, I would be f. ucking pissed.

Me too. He's got two hands and knows how to clean. He should be helping you out and quit his b1tchin'.

exactly.

if he wants it clean, then he can do it himself.


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01-25-2013 at 1:02 PM
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If its enough to make him that upset then he is perfectly capable of walking into the room and cleaning it and organizing it himself. He's not a child. And that is exactly what I would tell my husband if he acted like that. No question about it.

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01-25-2013 at 1:16 PM
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mystererae:

DH and I were at odds recently because we moved and I was too ill with morning sickness to unpack much. "Pouty" would be an understatement - he'd move through the other rooms of the apartment grumbling and cursing all day and ask me every hour if I was ready to unpack yet. 

Can you hire someone to help you? It's better than arguing. 

I'm sorry to hear that his arms are not functioning, and that his only recourse as a mature adult was to walk through the house cursing instead of pitching in and helping.

I mean, how dare you be sick while carrying his child. 

I am honestly flabbergasted at stories like this. I hope you told him to stfu and start unpacking. 


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