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02-24-2013 at 3:50 PM
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Culture? Race?

Some of the board queens know of me by now from a previous post. That was fun. Remember my husband is having a party and I am not having a shower. Shame! Lol.

Anyway, I was wondering what is the race make up of this board..

I ask because I have been to a lot of baby showers and a lot of what is said as etiquette on here isn't what I have observed nor enjoyed.
02-24-2013 at 3:57 PM
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What on earth does race have to do with manners?

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02-24-2013 at 4:05 PM
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FemShep:
What on earth does race have to do with manners?

/hairy sideeye


A lot of things posted here don't seem like manners...more like preference.

So I wondered if race or culture, even location is why I see such a huge difference.

No need to side eye, it's a straight face question.

I thought a board about baby showers on a page for expectant parents would be different based on my experiences of what I have seen people enjoy...
02-24-2013 at 4:09 PM
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Race, culture and region have very little to do with tacky.  I've seen tacky people of all nationalities and localities. 

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02-24-2013 at 4:14 PM
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Race, culture and region have very little to do with tacky.nbsp; I've seen tacky people of all nationalities and localities.nbsp;


But tacky...is that your opinion because of your culture? Maybe a better question is where do the etiquette rules listed on here come from? Do we really believe there is one absolute right way to celebrate...down to the every detail...
02-24-2013 at 4:15 PM
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In general, etiquette for any party, including a shower, means prioritizing the comfort of the guests and the MTB is just one of many guests.

That means that dictating a specific gift, like a book instead of a card, or diapers, is rude.

Asking guests to bring their own food is rude.

Bringing along uninvited guests, including kids, is rude.

Throwing your own shower, an event that is expressly designed to shower the MTB with gifts, is rude.

Asking someone for a shower, or demanding a certain shower, is rude.

Being a beyotch at a party is also rude, which is why many of us stick a smile on our face when faced with these behaviors and then talk about them behind the host's back. Don't assume the people you see "enjoying" being asked to give gift cards and books instead of cards, as well as bringing a dish and a pack of diapers, are just loving that party.

Race, culture, and geography are all irrelevant; these behaviors are rude no matter who you are and where you live.

 
02-24-2013 at 4:18 PM
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I'm an anthropologist - and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed.  That said, I am white, middle-class, Christian background.  

At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion.  

 
02-24-2013 at 4:40 PM
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Jontue:
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Race, culture and region have very little to do with tacky.nbsp; I've seen tacky people of all nationalities and localities.nbsp;
But tacky...is that your opinion because of your culture? Maybe a better question is where do the etiquette rules listed on here come from? Do we really believe there is one absolute right way to celebrate...down to the every detail...

 

Telling other people how to spend their money = tacky

Using your own money to throw a party where people are supposed to come bring you presents = tacky

Throwing yourself a party that celebrates you = tacky

Treating people that are taking time out of their day and may or may not be spending large amounts of money on you like total crap = tacky

Hosting a gathering and making people do any of the following: purchase their own food, bring their own food, address their own thank yous, pay a cover charge, feel bad about not participating in "games" that require them to spend more money than they otherwise planned on = tacky

....I can't honestly think of a culture that would be ok with telling other people how to spend their money (in any sense of the word) or treated guests like anything less than honored visitors. 

One could argue that cultures/people have become so accustomed to being treated horribly that they no longer have the right expectations.  For example, if you're around someone that says F**k all of the time, you would become desensitized to it and not care/notice if someone said it.  This doesn't mean that, at its core, it's appropriate to walk into someones house and tell their hostess "Pass me the f**king peas, please".  Just because you're used to being around crass people doesn't make everyone who has higher standards wrong or stuck up.

I think across all cultural boundaries there are sub-cultures of people who are generally less tactful and polite than others, although the definition of "less tactful" would vary by said culture.  However, at the basis of all cultures and regions, there are common standards that they find important and one of those is to be thankful for all gifts you are given, to be polite to those people who give them to you, to be appropriately humble, and to treat visitors/guests with utmost respect and courtesy. 


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02-24-2013 at 4:42 PM
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You're a moron, seriously. You should know better than to post this.

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02-24-2013 at 4:51 PM
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allierhiana1:
You're a moron, seriously. You should know better than to post this.


Oh well isn't that tacky...obviously you don't know better...best wishes with working on that...
02-24-2013 at 4:52 PM
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trudibell:
I'm an anthropologist and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed. nbsp;That said, I am white, middleclass, Christian background. nbsp;At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion. nbsp;


I agree. Doesn't make me right...but I agree.
02-24-2013 at 4:56 PM
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Jontue:
allierhiana1:
You're a moron, seriously. You should know better than to post this.
Oh well isn't that tacky...obviously you don't know better...best wishes with working on that...

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02-24-2013 at 5:07 PM
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BallSox:

Jontue:
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Race, culture and region have very little to do with tacky.nbsp; I've seen tacky people of all nationalities and localities.nbsp;
But tacky...is that your opinion because of your culture? Maybe a better question is where do the etiquette rules listed on here come from? Do we really believe there is one absolute right way to celebrate...down to the every detail...

 

Telling other people how to spend their money = tacky

Using your own money to throw a party where people are supposed to come bring you presents = tacky

Throwing yourself a party that celebrates you = tacky

Treating people that are taking time out of their day and may or may not be spending large amounts of money on you like total crap = tacky

Hosting a gathering and making people do any of the following: purchase their own food, bring their own food, address their own thank yous, pay a cover charge, feel bad about not participating in "games" that require them to spend more money than they otherwise planned on = tacky

....I can't honestly think of a culture that would be ok with telling other people how to spend their money (in any sense of the word) or treated guests like anything less than honored visitors. 

One could argue that cultures/people have become so accustomed to being treated horribly that they no longer have the right expectations.  For example, if you're around someone that says F**k all of the time, you would become desensitized to it and not care/notice if someone said it.  This doesn't mean that, at its core, it's appropriate to walk into someones house and tell their hostess "Pass me the f**king peas, please".  Just because you're used to being around crass people doesn't make everyone who has higher standards wrong or stuck up.

I think across all cultural boundaries there are sub-cultures of people who are generally less tactful and polite than others, although the definition of "less tactful" would vary by said culture.  However, at the basis of all cultures and regions, there are common standards that they find important and one of those is to be thankful for all gifts you are given, to be polite to those people who give them to you, to be appropriately humble, and to treat visitors/guests with utmost respect and courtesy. 

Using your own money to throw a party where people are supposed to come bring you presents = tacky

Throwing yourself a party that celebrates you = tacky

Like a wedding or reception or anniversary party?

Still leaves the question unanswered where do the rules come from? Are they tradition or rules?

 I think across all cultural boundaries there are sub-cultures of people who are generally less tactful and polite than others, although the definition of "less tactful" would vary by said culture.  However, at the basis of all cultures and regions, there are common standards that they find important and one of those is to be thankful for all gifts you are given, to be polite to those people who give them to you, to be appropriately humble, and to treat visitors/guests with utmost respect and courtesy. 
Ok this I could see would agree...again doesn't make me right...but I would agree

02-24-2013 at 5:34 PM
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I really don't think that has anything to do with it.  I was raised in one part of the country and now live in another and can tell in my experience that etiquette is still the same in both regions.  The things you think are ok you probably only think they are ok because you want them to be ok. 

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02-24-2013 at 5:49 PM
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I really don't think that has anything to do with it.nbsp; I was raised in one part of the country and now live in another and can tell in my experience that etiquette is still the same in both regions.nbsp; The things you think are ok you probably only think they are ok because you want them to be ok.nbsp;


I think there is a difference in being ok or I don't like. I think there are things I don't like but doesn't make them not ok.
02-24-2013 at 6:04 PM
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trudibell:
I'm an anthropologist and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed. nbsp;That said, I am white, middleclass, Christian background. nbsp;At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion. nbsp;


My sentiments exactly.

I'm Mexican American married to a white guy, both families conservative baptist and I'm the liberal for both. My friends' cultures and ethnicity run the gamut.

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02-24-2013 at 6:08 PM
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Even if my skin was purple my parents still taught me manners and etiquette. It isn't even something that should need to be 'taught.' It's just common sense. Something the OP is obviously lacking. 
 
02-24-2013 at 6:12 PM
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trudibell:
I'm an anthropologist and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed. nbsp;That said, I am white, middleclass, Christian background. nbsp;At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion. nbsp;

 

 I believe that most people feel this way because basic etiquette has been discarded in favor of convenience and laziness. As such, most people are no longer familiar with it and when approached with it, feel it is "going overboard" or unnecessary.

02-24-2013 at 6:23 PM
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Even if my skin was purple my parents still taught me manners and etiquette. It isn't even something that should need to be 'taught.' It's just common sense. Something the OP is obviously lacking.nbsp;


Manners and etiquette? Or your opinion? And no one is born with the rules to hosting a party.

No one has yet to say where the rules come from. Are people still using Emily Post?

My hypothesis was culture like my grandma did it this way so I do it this way but the majority statements are no. Okay so where?
02-24-2013 at 6:27 PM
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I get where you are coming from. I remember the first time I saw a "money dance" at a wedding thought and was like WTF?!

 
02-24-2013 at 6:28 PM
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trudibell:
I'm an anthropologist and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed. nbsp;That said, I am white, middleclass, Christian background. nbsp;At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion. nbsp;


My sentiments exactly.

I'm Mexican American married to a white guy, both families conservative baptist and I'm the liberal for both. My friends' cultures and ethnicity run the gamut.


Thank you for your reply.
02-24-2013 at 6:32 PM
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tilsonc:
I get where you are coming from. I remember the first time I saw a "money dance" at a wedding thought and was like WTF?!


Yes!
02-24-2013 at 6:32 PM
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tilsonc:
I get where you are coming from. I remember the first time I saw a "money dance" at a wedding thought and was like WTF?!


Yes!
02-24-2013 at 6:33 PM
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trudibell:

I'm an anthropologist - and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed.  That said, I am white, middle-class, Christian background.  

At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion.  

Thank goodness someone educated answered the question and understands what the OP is saying. Took a TON of anthro in college, and I agree.

OP I am hispanic, middle class

And YES! I do believe cultures have different ways of doing things and backrounds. I come from a HUGE hispanic family, and so my first shower was co-ed with a ton of beer, and nobody side eyed it for a second. It was a fun day, and some of my friends could not believe we had alcohol there!! I thought that was normal. lol  


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tilsonc:
I get where you are coming from. I remember the first time I saw a "money dance" at a wedding thought and was like WTF?!

But I have seen people of different races, ages, and SESs do dollar dances. I still think they're tacky. Ive lived in many different places, and just because something is the norm within your social circle, doesn't make it right. And, FTR, I hate when people say "Well I live in the south, and we just do things differently here." Bull.

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02-24-2013 at 6:56 PM
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trudibell:

I'm an anthropologist - and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed.  That said, I am white, middle-class, Christian background.  

At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion.  

Thank goodness someone educated answered the question and understands what the OP is saying. Took a TON of anthro in college, and I agree.

OP I am hispanic, middle class

And YES! I do believe cultures have different ways of doing things and backrounds. I come from a HUGE hispanic family, and so my first shower was co-ed with a ton of beer, and nobody side eyed it for a second. It was a fun day, and some of my friends could not believe we had alcohol there!! I thought that was normal. lol  



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02-24-2013 at 6:58 PM
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tilsonc:
I get where you are coming from. I remember the first time I saw a "money dance" at a wedding thought and was like WTF?!

But I have seen people of different races, ages, and SESs do dollar dances. I still think they're tacky. Ive lived in many different places, and just because something is the norm within your social circle, doesn't make it right. And, FTR, I hate when people say "Well I live in the south, and we just do things differently here." Bull.


Ok but because I don't like the dollar dance doesn't make it wrong...
02-24-2013 at 7:10 PM
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For High School graduation my mother gave me a Miss Manners etiquette book. To me good manners will never go out of fashion. I still use this book 20 years later. It doesn't matter race, religion, or socio economic status.
 
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Jontue:
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tilsonc:
I get where you are coming from. I remember the first time I saw a "money dance" at a wedding thought and was like WTF?!

But I have seen people of different races, ages, and SESs do dollar dances. I still think they're tacky. Ive lived in many different places, and just because something is the norm within your social circle, doesn't make it right. And, FTR, I hate when people say "Well I live in the south, and we just do things differently here." Bull.


Ok but because I don't like the dollar dance doesn't make it wrong...

Dollar dances are gross.

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02-24-2013 at 7:12 PM
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oliversmom03:
trudibell:

I'm an anthropologist - and would agree that what makes "proper etiquette" is culturally bound and constructed.  That said, I am white, middle-class, Christian background.  

At the end of the day though, the only person's opinion that matters is your own, a lot of etiquette issues get WAY overblown, especially with weddings and babies in my opinion.  

Thank goodness someone educated answered the question and understands what the OP is saying. Took a TON of anthro in college, and I agree.

OP I am hispanic, middle class

And YES! I do believe cultures have different ways of doing things and backrounds. I come from a HUGE hispanic family, and so my first shower was co-ed with a ton of beer, and nobody side eyed it for a second. It was a fun day, and some of my friends could not believe we had alcohol there!! I thought that was normal. lol  

but I don't have a drop of anything but European blood in me and I wouldn't side eye or judge that.  Why?  Unless you threw it yourself and made it blob, you're still following the basic rules of etiquette.  There are rules of etiquette like I mentioned previously and there're cultural variations of what are normal activities. 

 However, to go back to the whole " who makes the rules" aspect, even if you subscribed to the idea that the fundamental basics of proper etiquette are culturally based, these women (most of the posters here) are still being rude.  They come on to ask opinions about matters and ideas that they are unfamiliar with ("is it tacky if..." or "how do I find a poem for..." or "my mom says I can't have a second shower.....") which, in itself, says that is not a cultural norm.  If your social group/culture believes that every mom to be gets a $500 check as a gift, they will do so without a poem telling them to do so.  If you have to ask where to find a poem or if it's tacky to ask for your check, it is.    


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